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jbadman Special user London 986 Posts 
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I also saw this at The Session, and purchased it. For me one of the best things I acquired there by some stretch (and I definitely over-spent!). Everything Mark says is spot on, but I'd also like to add that there are some fine details here that I really hadn't appreciated in advance of the purchase but afterwards, realise just how well thought out every part of this effect is.
Criticisms of the advertising being 'selectively edited' etc seem kind of meaningless; very few magic advertisements give you everything, right? And we all know that if a full unedited performance is shared, a proportion of the Cafe Crowd will simply dissect everything and some will attempt to make their own version without bothering to buy from the creator. I don't believe the reactions are fake; this is really super-clean and hits very hard. I can't recommend it highly enough. Oh - and good luck packing 'Canon' in your wallet!
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Koolmagicguy New user 96 Posts
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Can a spectator look inside the envelope? Can any envelope be used when the one supplied breaks down from carrying it in my pocket all day?
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4192 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2024, AutarchicFlux wrote: I can’t say whether the reactions are faked or not, I regularly see similar reactions to this in the real world with relatively straight forward effects and I doubt I am alone in this. However having seen this live as well as actually owning it I can say that the trailer is not heavily edited there is only one step that takes moments removed. No boring drawn out equivoque means exactly that, just because you choose to choose to apply your own meaning to the words does not change what the words actually mean in the English language. If an ad said a deck of cards had no boring single colour back design I would expect the back design to be interesting and multi coloured, I would not complain that the trailer is dishonest because it does indeed have a back design which does happen to be an interesting multi coloured design. Buy it or don’t buy it, it’s your choice. Mark |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 596 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2024, Mark_Chandaue wrote: A better analogy would be if an ad said "No boring single color back design," and then the back design turned out to be all purple, with the justification that "purple isn't a boring single color, though!" |
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jbadman Special user London 986 Posts
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No, not really. But regardless, I don’t think the purpose of this post is to find the most appropriate analogy! Pretty sure the gist of this effect, the quality of the product and the strength of the routine, with the level of thought behind it, is very clear now. Should be more than enough for potential buyers to decide if it’s for them or not.
It can even be done with a purple envelope btw… 
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1568 Posts
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I've always been a fan of Mark Elsdon's "On the Mark" - guessing the one step equivoque is basically the same. I use an Heirloom type index wallet and once I remove the card, show the wallet empty as I say "Obviously, i't s not like I have an entire deck in my wallet..." Because the "no-quivoque (I believe that's what Mark calls it) is natural and goes undetected, over the hundred of times I've done this, no one has ever asked to look at my wallet because in their mind, they could have chosen any of the 52 cards. So I'm guessing the same would be the case with PTSD. Done right, I don't think anyone would want to see the card or envelope because how in the world could a single thin envelope hold 52 cards!?!
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leipzisch Special user 952 Posts
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The price for this is ridiculous.
It's way too expensive. It's far too cheap. It's just right for what you get. When will people get it into their heads: the correct price is whatever people are willing to pay for it! |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4192 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2024, AutarchicFlux wrote: It wouldn’t be a better analogy though because the process in PTSD could barely be called equivoque, it contains only one brief instruction and the first words the participant utters is their choice of card. It absolutely complies with the statement of no boring and drawn out equivoque. Now it’s your choice if you want to make yourself look like a fool by continuing to make arguments whilst not equipped with the facts, personally I prefer to only talk about those things I have first hand knowledge of but hey fill your boots if it makes you happy. Mark |
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gumbimagic Veteran user Too busy performing to have more than 315 Posts
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"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubts" - unknown
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leipzisch Special user 952 Posts
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I bet whoever came up with that quote was a little bit nervous about how it would be received.
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danHumphrey Veteran user 331 Posts
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This looks like something I will actually carry with me and use. I converted my VI points to store credit and took the plunge...
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jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts
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One thing going unmentioned is that the Equivoque being used here was created by Mark Elsdon. I believe it was first released with his great effect, On the Mark.
It has been "borrowed" many times since. Mark's idea is a real advance over Equivoque'ing to a color or suit, because it requires only one Equivoque choice, and all subsequent choices are consistent with the first. Cheers, Jerry |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 596 Posts
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So what's up with the performance in the trailer where no equivoque is used whatsoever, and the spectator is invited to think of "any card," prior to their over-the-top reaction? Are we also going to argue that's not deceptive?
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4192 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2024, jerdunn wrote: This is not Mark Elsdon’s equivoque which is brilliant and I have used myself with Mark’s permission and even is used in one of the effects in my upcoming Blackpool release. In this effect there are no subsequent choices. This is extremely streamlined with only one instruction to the participant that does not require them to say anything other than name their card. The only thing I don’t like about this process is I didn’t come up with it. That instruction is cut from the trailer quite understandably so because it is essentially 50% of the method. The other 50% being the way you can instantly remove the full thickness named card from a thin envelope without any fumbling. Mark |
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marcobasi New user italy 44 Posts
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Reminds me a lot of one&only by paul harris (I wonder where I put that envelope...
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AutarchicFlux Special user 596 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2024, Mark_Chandaue wrote: Mark, it's not "cut" from the performance towards the middle of the trailer. This is a full, unedited performance from start to finish in which the spectator is asked to think "of ANY card." It's deceptive. Unequivocally, and obviously. Please stop defending it and go look for yourself. It's a BS, fake performance designed to mislead. |
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David Numen Inner circle 2077 Posts
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I think you’re wrong and there’s a simple process that has to happen BEFORE the spectator was asked to name any card. A process that is congruent with then removing imaginary cards from a box and naming “any” card. There is obviously a restriction, we all know what that restriction must be, we don’t know what shape it takes. I’m intrigued because according to Mark Chandaue the spectator doesn’t say anything until they name a card. I can replicate the effect but not without them saying something to help narrow the choices down.
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Winnes Elite user 478 Posts
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You could easily replicate it by saying “before we begin, everyone normally thinks of a numbered card so we’re only going to be considering the court cards”. But that would be rubbish, and very silly. I’m sure there is a much more elegant solution here, and I have ordered it as I trust Mark L and Mark C, but I do understand the claims of the advert being misleading. I think we just have to accept that there has to be bits missed out, or skirted around, but it’s the impression that lasts with the spectator that counts.
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NeilS Inner circle 3255 Posts
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I am not interested in speculating how the effect is done. Having just seen the video, what I was interested in were the reactions of the spectators. These were a delight to watch and shows how good magic can be such great entertainment.
I wish Mark every success with this release and in addition to entertaining his spectators thank him for entertaining me too. Neil |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 596 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2024, NeilS wrote: I would bet cold, hard cash that the "reaction" in the performance at 0:48 is acting by a stooge. Everything about that reaction screams "acting," and the only way to accomplish the effect in that way is either sheer dumb luck or stooging. |
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Posted: Jan 15, 2024 06:46 pm 