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TWOCAN Special user PORT RICHEY FL 880 Posts 
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It’s not uncommon to copy stamp , just heads up might be good idea to get proof of purchase or other verification. I’m not saying they are being sold here but just a heads up .
Just try that’s all you can do , never give up .
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karnak Special user Connecticut 750 Posts
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Did Todd ever issue receipts?
He didn’t even like to send emails (which could be faked anyway, by a fraudster). I’m the proud owner of a hallmarked Lassen Barber shell set, myself. I, of course, know that it’s the real deal, since I personally ordered it from Todd directly. But there’s no surviving documentation. So, with the hallmark thrown into doubt, I guess I can’t prove it. Oh, well. Doesn’t matter, because I have no plans ever to sell it. But I do see your point. I suppose authenticity would have to be somehow established independent of the hallmark. But — lacking documentation — how? (Wouldn’t its self-evident, unbeatably-superior quality essentially speak for itself?)
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GeorgeG Special user Thousand Oaks, CA 979 Posts
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Yep, Todd never gave a single receipt, other than a rare handwritten Cheers, Thanks, Todd on the back of his business card. The only way to prove it is a real Lassen is to trust a reputable buyer and seeing the obvious quality, which is important on his early stuff, before he started hallmarking inside the shells. I, for one, downloaded into Word documents from from his Coolotis site, when available, the post/pictures of purchases I made for my own documentation (and proof).
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Sir Pharaul Regular user 138 Posts
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Mine from the early 2000's from him didn't even have a hallmark. I have a flipper and shell from him.
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TWOCAN Special user PORT RICHEY FL 880 Posts
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No receipt then I guess you would have to trust the seller . Here in the Café with such a close nit family of magicians is I’m sure the best place to purchase items with less issues then on the market place or eBay .
Just try that’s all you can do , never give up .
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shakuni Inner circle 1179 Posts
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I received handwritten notes from him with the purchases, but no hallmark, or hallmark on only one part of gimmick. Although, with his gimmicks, if you take the coins in your hand, you will know instantly that they are from him.
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Robert Sixx Special user 857 Posts
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My set is also from before he hallmarked anything, just a business card with cheers, which is probably long gone now as I haven't come across it in a few years. I also have a flipper and shell in Liberty's along with the matching coins I got from him long ago.
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thegreatscungilli Regular user 166 Posts
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Given the huge jump in price of anything made by Todd it would be no surprise if someone was faking his hallmark.
It happens with everything else, we know there are a large number of knockoffs in the magic trade and given the amount of money involved with Todd's stuff if it is not already being done it will be soon. I have seen some shells with an asking price 4 or 5 times what a shell from Schoolcraft is today and I guess folks are paying it. |
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ddamen Regular user Bay Area 140 Posts
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There’s definitely some shady stuff going on. Lots of alleged “lassens” circulating and his imperceptible hallmark is not hard to duplicate. Same stuff you see in the houdini world.
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2004 Posts
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On Apr 8, 2023, TWOCAN wrote: Many people have been scammed here on the Café down through the years. "Buyer Beware" posts do come up from time to time. So unless you know the seller, you still have to be careful. But you can always PM some members and see if they know the individual before making the purchase. That happened to me a few years ago. Some member had an item for sale that I wanted to purchase, but I had no clue who this member was. I sent out a post asking members if this member is a good seller. Immediately I got many replies back that he is a good seller. Bought the item and the item arrived as described. Better safe than sorry. Tom |
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charlie_d Loyal user 247 Posts
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I also have several Lassen sets that don’t have hallmarks. I bought them directly from Todd.
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GJo Loyal user 283 Posts
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Why would anyone duplicate a Lassen hallmark to sell a fake set? How many possible customers are there? The monetary return doesn’t seem worth the effort.
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TWOCAN Special user PORT RICHEY FL 880 Posts
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On Apr 8, 2023, tbaer wrote: Very true . I try buying from long time Café members with best reputation. If I’m not sure then I PM friends of mine in here for recommendations.
Just try that’s all you can do , never give up .
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2356 Posts
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Some items were hallmarked more than once.
(RAD Clad hallmark, LCC&N)  |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2356 Posts
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As for provenance of some purchases.. Many paid by check, so if they kept their canceled checks or images of them, there may be something there.
His WordPress blog is also still online... Many folks "staked their claim" to items he was selling in the comments. |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1813 Posts
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TWOCAN: Just so it's clear, did you start this thread because you'vs seen or heard of some fake Lassen coins, or is this a more general warning of "it's theoretically possible", so "be informed and know your seller if you're buying something expensive"?
Because while I agree with the latter, there are a ton of other things that could also be mid-sold, and I have to second GJo that it seems like the effort to target audience seems pretty high, especially if.the quality isn't there so the fake is immediately obvious. Folks should be informed, but I don't like spreading unnecessary FUD about specific makers. Any hallmark.could be forged. The better general-purpose advice is possibly: if you're buying something expensive, make sure to PayPal or some other form of payment that gives the buyer (and seller) some protection, rather than using Venmo or sending via Friends and Family. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2356 Posts
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What he said
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Craig Ousterling Special user 585 Posts
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I posted this a while ago on my FB feed:
Some people know this. Some people don't. I'm saying this because I knew Todd and I'm sure he'd want people, especially his best customers to know, for a FACT Todd Lassen's "makers mark" is missing. |
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tedski Special user New Jersey 792 Posts
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I have a decent collection of both marked and unmarked gaffus from Todd- usually always enclosed the business card signed “Cheers, Todd”. Regardless, I will never sell anything
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2356 Posts
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On Apr 9, 2023, Craig Ousterling wrote: That's sad/unfortunate. Hopefully it isn't in unscrupulous hands. |
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