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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts 
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Hey guys,
I am slowly updating all my favourite card tricks so that they look more "elegant" (by this I mean more flashy/flourishy/smooth). However I am running into troubles with finding a nice bottom control for a specific trick. The problem is that the selected card needs to be controlled to the bottom but the card that originally was on the bottom needs to stay in that position (so the selected card ends up at the bottom and above it is the card that previously was on the bottom). My most elegant choice so far (the one I like best) is the "behind bars"-control by Ollie Mealing but the problem I personally have with this control is that the spectator can not remove a card themselves from the deck. Do you guys have any suggestions for a flourishy bottom control where it is possible to take the card back from the spectator where it seems that the deck is not cut in any way (preferably angle proof since I mostly do strolling / walkaround magic)? I would rate my card magic skill level as intermediate so suggestions of any skill level are welcome. Thanks in advance for your suggestions! |
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Woz New user 77 Posts
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Although not flashy, ed marlo's convincing control sounds suitable.
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts
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While not flashy or flourishy (I'm not sure I'd equate these with elegant) a spread cull would work.
Jim |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1730 Posts
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I have a 1-on-1 download at Theory11.com called the "Single-Card Straddle Pass" that might fit your requirements.
Jason PS: Although it's called the "Single-card" Straddle Pass, the technique can actually be used for multiple cards with virtually no change in technique. https://store.theory11.com/products/sing......dle-pass
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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hp Regular user 163 Posts
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The Ovette Master Move/Kelly Bottom Placement is smooth, though not flashy.
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1282 Posts
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The cull is the most convincing control in this case. The spectator can themselves put the card in the middle of the deck wherever they want and withing a second you can either close the spread and put the deck down or just drop the deck down to the table while the spread is still open.
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RSchlutz V.I.P. 512 Posts
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A little more flashy control is the Fan-Atic control in card finesse. I use this control from time to time.
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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts
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First of all, thanks for all the replies!
The cull has indeed been the best solution so far for me (and the one I have been using for this trick in the past), however I chose to replace it look for a different sleight because I want to try something new and flashy but thanks for the suggestions anyways  . I can imagine that I might stick to this in the end since it has been so practical and probably also more straightforward to spectators than a flashy move, I just wanted to look what other options I have .
I will have a look at all the moves later this week, see if there is anything that suits my needs. Again thanks for all the tips! |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1282 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2016, neoinwonderland wrote: But why would a flashy move after or during the replacement of a spectators be better than a "no move" replacement? |
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 1000 Posts
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I believe there is a control in Arthur Buckley's CARD CONTROL which can accomplish this. It's a Hindu type of shuffle, so I'm not sure if you consider that elegant or not. There are different camps on that.
If you're interested I can do some digging when I get home. TJ |
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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2016, 1tepa1 wrote: I don't believe it is better, I'm just looking to switch things up. Most of my tricks are not flashy, however I also love to flourish and I am just looking for a control that fits better to the flow of a flourish. Just a simple example to illustrate this, if I have just thrown one selection into the deck while doing a one handed revolution (see last phase of Dan and Dave's ferrari 30 spider cut), I would create a dead beat if I just casually push the 2nd selection back in the deck. It's just a thing I like to do with quick tricks, maybe it's wrong from a magician's viewpoint but the flourishing in between is something that gets me some good feedback so I am just looking for ways to incorporate it more into my magic. I understand some tricks are way better without all kinds of fancy moves but I just want to give it a try and see where it fits perfectly. |
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Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts
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TPC is my most often used bottom control.
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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2016, ThomasJ wrote: Just looked the book up and it looks like a must have that can take my card skills further, especially for that price. Thanks for the tip! I think I will buy this book in the near future, always love a good read, so if you happen to know the name of the control you mentioned I would be glad to hear it! |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3096 Posts
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I was experimenting with your scenario. I placed a selected card in the middle of the deck and performed a side steal to the top of the deck. I then just performed a top card pass to the bottom followed by some false cuts for continuity. It was quick, smooth and accomplished the desired result.
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2016, davidpaul$ wrote: I placed a selected card in the middle of the deck and performed a side steal to the top of the deck. I then just performed a top card pass to the bottom followed by some false cuts for continuity. A side steal, pass and some false cuts - to get a selection to the bottom of the deck ? Jim |
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bignickolson New user 87 Posts
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The control in Buckley's Book is the Hindu Shift I believe and it's a great control for a multiple selection routine.
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 1000 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2016, jim ferguson wrote: I was hoping he was joking! Haha. Nickolson, that sounds right, but I'll double check when I get home. |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3096 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2016, jim ferguson wrote: The OP wants to keep the existing bottom card where it is , have a card selected, placed back in the deck and end up on the bottom of deck on top of the existing bottom card. So ... side steal the card to top then pass or double undercard to the bottom. Done. This maintains the bottom card as the OP wanted with the selected card at the desired position.
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2016, davidpaul$ wrote:The OP wants to keep the existing bottom card where it is , have a card selected, placed back in the deck and end up on the bottom of deck on top of the existing bottom card. I think you've read it wrong. He wants the selection on the bottom, with the original bottom card above. However, regardless of whether the card is to be on the bottom or second from the bottom - the cull is still one of the best, most streamlined options. It makes no sense to use a sleight to control the card to the top, then have to do another one to move it to the bottom - when it can be moved straight to the bottom using a single, totally invisible move in the first place. Jim |
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Cardguy52 Loyal user 246 Posts
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Or just side steal to the bottom.
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Posted: Feb 12, 2016 11:21 am 