Don't know if this is the right place to post this question, but here goes:

I want to produce a water bowl using the gimmicked round table method. Two questions:

1) Any recommendations where to buy a good model?
2) After producing a bowl of water, I'd like to do something with it in terms of another effect. Any ideas of possible things do with it after producing it?
Thanks.

Jim

Any reason why you want to use that method? I've never found it very deceptive, personally. Just curious....

You could produce the bowl of water, then go into aerial fishing.

This method can be deceptive, but here is the single biggest problem with the trick... most models are too small.

You want the bowl to appear to be larger in diameter than the table upon which it is produced, so the audience will know that it could not have been contained inside. The difference between table "A", and table "B" will seem drastic if the entire outfit is too small. I've seen some that look like it goes from a hat box to a coffee can. Much of this is magician laziness, not wanting to be burdened with a formidable prop. So, they make it smaller and easy to transport, and inadvertently f***-up the trick.

Go to a restaurant supply house to look for a bowl. They will have plexi serving bowls in a selection of very large sizes that are shallow compared to their diameter. Find one that you fall in love with and design the other apparatus to go with it.

"Great Illusions of Magic", by Byron Wels has a similar effect that produces 2 trays with 12 glasses of beer.

Follow-up effects might depend on the bowl itself. Something that looks like cut crystal may be capable of things a totally clear bowl would not.

The colored sands trick is one possibility.

Jim -

Richard Hughes is one builder of a water fountain production (not just a bowl production):

http://www.hughesmagic.com/catalog/misc/liquideffects.html

The video for it is also on the site, on another page.

- Donald

Thanks, guys. Donald, that's a great source and actually, the reason I thought of using that method was because I just saw a video of Lance Burton doing it! And he was using Richard's bowl with the fountain! But I can't afford Richard's item though it clearly is a good way to go.

I don't know of any other ways to produce a bowl of water other than this one.

Jim

There are bare handed productions of bowls of water from under a large scarf/foulard. They are not too difficult.

Further there is the “elevator” method much like Aldini fish bowl production and built into a table by Rich Marotta as seen on one of his DVD’s.

There is the stack of bowls production as done by Jack Gwynne (and a host of others). His method could be used to produce one large bowl.

I guess it depends on the venue (platform or surrounded) and the actual effect you wanted to create.

James, I feel your pain and excitement. I have always wanted to this trick as well. It is good trick, but as Harry said, it needs special conditions as it is hard to move a bowl of water around on stage without spilling it. And the price has always kept it from me owning this classic trick.

The only sources beside what is mentioned is Owen Magic, they make a model that allows the table to be actually used prior to the trick. I think it is along the Jarrow method, but am not positive.

Abbott's has made a model following the classic method over the years. Still available. They also sell bowls of water that can be produced from a foulard.

And Rich Marrotta sold a version where he produced a very large bowl of water from a nylon shopping bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SqYE1DQanQ

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You might try the "Sands of India" after the bowl of water production. (...and the Abbott/Blackstone method IS very deceptive, but I'm not too sure of Abbott's current production quality--maybe research other builders, too.)

I've sent you a PM with another detailed handling.

Julie

Actually, you need to get a copy of the Jarrett book.

It contains the plans for the best bowl of water production from a table in the biz. Actually it's not TOO hard to make.

The bowl can be full of water, and even removed from the table and the table can be used for other effects after the production.

The best part is the bowl that appears is actually LARGER than the table top, thus eliminating the discrepancies found in most models like the classic Abbott's and others.

Keith

I have to say, that the Abbott's and Owen models for the bowls are larger then then the table top.

What is in the Jarrett book is that Jarrett used a square table and made appear a round bowl. That is his difference, when I read the book. The table top was not smaller, but different shape. The plans are not detailed at all, but only a drawing. Not much to go on and a lot of un-ansewered questions, if one was to try and build it.

I have the materials on hand to make the Jarrett bowl. I just have not had the time to get these made up.

The fountain adds so much to production but is not something I will put into a Jarrett style.

I usually use the Garden of flowers foulard to get into the Production. It is the climax to the flower productions. I have also made a double load bowl with a flower load on top.

I think the method is pretty simple but there are a lot of subtle differences that can make or break the effect. And of course, presentation is everything.

Richard

Voitco production table is your answer.

For those who don't know what you are referring to: it is available from Victor Voitko.

http://www.magic-voitko.com/the-producti......-edition


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0pkuh69_mw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsdeZ_KrMvg





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Lance Burton did mine for years in his masked ball number...Here is the link...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCFCTlG1ayQ. The water fountain is at 24:00.
Richard

Richard, you will get it right some day, when you post link, always leave a space before and after the web address.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCFCTlG1ayQ

Even better, you have the option to right-click on the YouTube video and "Get Video URL at Current Time" , so the clickable hyperlink will start at a specific time:

https://youtu.be/PCFCTlG1ayQ?t=24m23s

In this case at the 24:23 mark , which is when Lance performs the Water Bowl production.

(or under the video if you click on Share , you can select "Start At" a specific time in your link ; in this case 24:23 )

Unfortunately the function to start at a specific time in an embedded YouTube video is not available with the old BB Code that Magic Café uses. Maybe someday they will update the version of BB Code that they use.




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Thanks guys. I appreciate the help.. The thought was there.
Richard

Richard,

If I can ever give you the smallest amount of help on anything it will be just a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the incredible wealth of magical knowledge you have shared on this forum about silk, flower , and general stage magic . I have many of your posts copied and saved in my files.

Best,

-David

You are very kind. Thank you.
Richard

Responding to Uncle Joe's post. No offense UJ, but, OP wants to produce a bowl of water USING the old standard method, if I understand him. The VV table is, undoubtedly a nice looking prop, albeit expensive! (here comes the BUT: But, the items produced rather obviously "come" from the draped table.