I still won't buy this for that much money but I guess I was wrong about it being a simple puzzle to spectators. I'm glad people are enjoying it.

Patrick, we all have our own tastes, etc.

I would say the cost is that it's a precision piece that is sure fire, won't tarnish, etc. and has so many performance possibilities.

I hope anyone that gets it doesn't get tempted to make it a puzzle "can you do this".

I'm going to use it New Years Eve and have a couple of different performance ideas.

Just like to share a second thought of what I found interesting. My wife saw the necklace on me two days straight and got interested, asked if she can wear it. Of course. We went out to do some last minute shopping and met an old friend in the mall. We had a bit of conversation, and I 'borrow' the necklace from my wife to show the trick. It worked out pretty well as an borrowed object! The design of the necklace is pretty unisex, looks fine on both man and woman, casual and formal. I really like the thinking behind this trick.

Patrick,if you wear accessories, you'll find the price to be reasonable for the necklace itself. The quality is really good, precisely made, and made to last. Even comes with warranty to cover any damage possibly caused by the nature of the trick.

I had so much fun with this and will keep on playing with it. Will share if I run into any new ideas.

Aaron
Aaronish Magic

I just bought this and I must chime in. It is very very cool. If you are worried about the bling factor, turn it the other way when wearing it, and you will just have a silver ring with the diamond looking parts against your shirt until it is time to perform. This is the first trick that, after opening, I was still puzzled with. I thought "How in the heck can this actually work it is a ring and a chain without gaps or trick sliders or anything?" I picked up the ring, and then the necklace, followed the instructions and dropped the ring. As it dangled, tied to the necklace, before my eyes, I was speechless. I had just done the trick and I did not know how it worked yet. Needless to say, this is a must carry for me now. I love it. -Matt Sconce

This is Will Tsai. Sorry for my late presence. I am not a regular Café member, my buddy Gerard informed me that there's such a thread and thought I would check it out on Christmas day. Merry Christmas everyone! I'm glad that people who purchased the effect are enjoying it. It has been a pet effect for myself and a few close friends for years until now. I've received huge and crazy feedbacks after releasing this effect. Thanks for everyone's support.

For people who has concern about this product ( may it be design, price, ... etc), as mentioned in the ad, I am sure this won't be for everyone. As the matter of fact, there's isn't a single magical effect that I am aware of fits everyone's performing persona. So does the design of an accessory. I hold my sincere respect for all different opinions. For the people who have purchased the effect, thank you for your support of our hard work. For the people who didn't like the effect for any reason, thank you too for letting us know your opinion.

Again, Merry Christmas and pre-happy new year!

Will Tsai

PS. I'll be transferring a series of products from Japan next year. Check out Hocus-Pocus regularly, they will always be the first to carry my products in US area.

To those who think that it's not fashionable, particularly Gregoire, what's you sense of style? I'll tell you this right off the bat, most magician's sense of style is more or less horrible. When was the last time you've shopped at a higher end clothing store? Macy's do not count. If you think the Relic makes you look cool, good luck with that, it's a interesting piece but it's definitely not fashionable. Thinking that people who are homosexual are the only ones who are fashion forward tells two things about a person, that person has a very closed minded and stereotypical way of thinking and secondly, they probably never grew out of their high school and college days of baggie jeans and hoodies. I would put good money and bet that most of the male magicians pretty much refuse to wear any other colours apart from black, grey, white, and probably brown. Many of them probably also think that it's ok to wear a striped shirt with a pinstriped suit with a patterned tie. Like I stated in my earlier post, most magicians actually do not have fashion sense, Gregoire, you telling me that I was outnumbered 3 to 1 or what not proves absolutely nothing here. LoL. Look, not here to offend anyone but just think about fashion and what's in, look through some men's magazine as well, it really helps. We're performers, being performers, appearances count A LOT. Getting dressed for a even doesn't just mean put on any button down and any suit, it means putting on something that looks great. For those who have girlfriends or wives, I highly suggest the next time you go out to shop, ask your misses along and have them suggest what looks good on you. That's that, back to the subject of this particular effect, the Infinity Ring, it looks very nice but I'm more concerned about the size of the ring, if it's a big ring then that would be a fashion faux pas and just look silly, this being the size of a silver dollar, that would place it in the no no side of things and in fact, it does look a bit silly. If it was a nice size around the size of a finger ring, that sounds pretty good and would look nice. I guess I'm not getting this in the end as it's just way too big to look good.

Just to add, since I forgot to in the last post, the Firestarters DVD by Sankey is actually very very very good. Both the effects that are taught as well as some very good basics on communicating with females and communicating in general. The material he chose to teach also augmented flirting very well. Let's just say this, if you just met a female and you're put into a position of performing a little bit of magic, do you know what is KILLER in that situation? Something like a coin on shoulder routine. The reason? A coin on shoulder routine gives you a LOT of room for flirting as well as an acceptable amount of touchy feely (not touchy feely like a dirty old man, but touchy feely in a casual way which is very flirty and in the context of the effect, as well as being a very non-obtrusive way of meshing both personal spaces for you and her). Did I need to watch Firestarters to learn this? No, I've learned that on my own, but guess what? Many people have no concept of this so Firestarters is actually a VERY good jumping off point to learn some of this common sense along with some good effects. So, is Jays advice on Firestarters sound? Yes. Here's the sad thing, many skipped that volume because it came out during the time Jay was pumping out DVDs practically every other week, plus a video on how to pick up girls using magic does indeed sound ridiculous but Firestarters is a very very good video.

Wow, let's not get to the offensive side here. Just popping up and share some of my later thought. I also agree on what Kissdadokie said about most performers are a little lacking sense in fashion (like myself). But after wearing Infinity Ring for about a week, it really does look nice considering the compliments I've received along the trick performance. Not only that I enjoy performing this effect as it is very strong from my first hand experience, and I also enjoy wearing it on my neck. Will Tsai, if you see this, just want to let you know that I love the effect and keep up the good work! Looking forward to your future release.

Aaron
Aaronish Magic

Kissdadookie, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on fashion style and how this particular effect fits them as an individual. I would not have even posted except that I suppose I was targeted along with Gregoire having commented on this item's feminine look.

The fact that you mentioned shopping at an 'upscale store' was rather interesting. It reminds me of when I myself worked in the fashion industry for a brief time. I went to a job interview (which I got) at an upscale men's clothing store here in Brisbane. This company specialises in high end tailored suits, and are well known for their ridiculously expensive clothing. At the time I had next to no money and had purchased a suit from a local men's discount store. Matched nicely with a half decent tie and shirt, I went to my interview. During this interview the owner of the business commented on the cut of my suit, and said "that's beautiful, did you get that from us?". His face went pale when I told him that I had paid all of $100 for it.

I don't think that you need to spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothing to look fashionable. And who decides what is and isn't fashionable anyways? Each magician is an individual, and no doubt has his/her own individual tastes. I personally read lot's of men's magazines, and purchase a lot of expensive clothing. I myself own a few suits which cost me well over $2000 each. This doesn't necessarily mean that I look better than the next guy who bought his at a discount store.

If I was a performer for childrens parties, do you think they would prefer a magician who rocked up in a bright red suit with a spinning yellow bow tie or a guy in the latest Armani outfit straight from the most popular men's magazines? I have an inkling that they would prefer the previous style.

I am not trying to offend you with this post, but your comments could have been misconstrued as offensive, not just to magicians posting on this thread but entertainers in general. Once again I have to state that although many performers have commented positively on this product, I could not purchase it due to it's look. Perhaps it's the photos, perhaps it's that I see no logical patter for it (I liked Aaronnish's idea though!) but I can't see myself purchasing this. I think that the idea is superb and am fascinated by it, but it is the look that is holding me back. After a few more posts who knows, I may splurge and give it a go!

Will, great work and I love the idea! I'd love to see a performance video from someone so that I could see this effect in action!

Luke

P.S. And personally, I find that using magic to pick up women is a touch tacky. You can't beat a little charm, a nice smile and genuine attitude. Then again that's just me! Each to their own!

To be honest, you can buy a lot of very nice looking pieces and not spend a lot. One good example is H&M but the problem with H&M is that the physical quality of the products are way off from being acceptable. A lot of people like Express but to be honest, Express' style leans towards the confirmed bachelor (don't confuse it with eligible bachelor). My point in going to the nice boutique and high end stores is that you will see what's in style and basically learn that so you have a better sense of what to purchase when you actually go out for clothe shopping. Anyhoots, the size of the Infinity ring is way to big to me and thus I will not be picking it up. I wish it was a bit smaller.

No offense taken and I apologize if anybody felt offended by my posts. I was just stating an issue that many people don't consider. I suppose that it's just a guy thing, most guys I guess don't take their appearance into consideration. As a rule of thumb, there's many things in life that you need to be self aware about (sensibly, not overly obsessed) because most people do not speak what's on their minds so they will most often than not think "What a bad dresser" but will never tell it to you. Kind of like magic, you perform and you have to learn how to gauge reactions because you have to be doing a REALLY bad job for your audience to tell it to you to your face. Children performers of course has a whole different kind of style consideration that they need to consider, but my comments did not have children performers in mind.

Kissadookie, I could kiss you. Glad we can agree

Luke

I'd appreciate it if you guys called me by my first name...

The 3 against 1 wasn't an attack, that's why I put in brackets that "against" simply defined the two sides of the story. It was relevant, it meant that the norm is decided by the majority. If most people think something looks feminine, then it'll be considered to be for females. I wasn't saying that just because three magicians said a necklace looked feminine and one said it didn't that the necklace was therefore for females. I just meant that at that moment you were saying (Jay was saying) that male magicians lack fashion sense and I pointed out that since the majority of those discussing the jewelry were saying it didn't look masculine then you'd be the minority therefore go back to the third sentence of this post.

Nothing in this post is meant as a threat or as impoliteness. I said it all in a nice, calm voice. I just needed to clarify. It was all personal opinions. I went a bit too far by saying that any guy wearing this will probably be called gay, but other than that it was all just what I thought. I don't mind if others like this and want to wear it, that doesn't affect me at all. Oh and also when I said that I didn't care what you or Jay thought, I meant that in the sense that it's pretty much a fact that majority decides the norm therefore your thoughts are irrelevant on the subject since the majority was saying it looked feminine. Just ignore everything and enjoy your Infinity ring lol.

Hey Patrick,

Sorry I used your last name, it was way easier to remember than Patrick (thus the reason Banachek changed his stage name to Banachek instead of Steve Shaw). Anyways, I don't actually have one (Infinity Ring). As I said, the ring looked good but it's obviously way too big being the size of a silver dollar. That's a big no no, totally looks awkward. Thus, I'm not actually going to purchase one of these as it would look just as odd being a piece of jewelery as the Relic (which I do have but I never wear it on my neck, I usually have someone hold on to it as I go into my pocket for a Sharpie bringing out both the Relic and the Sharpie, but the Relic isn't in play as I come back to it after an effect or two which does not use it, by that time the spectator has built up curiosity for the Relic which then I can easily go into using it as an impromptu piece).

Back to your majority and minority comment. Like I said previously, most magician's lack fashion sense so we're still back to square one with this discussion. If you think you have good fashion sense, then good for you. I know plenty of magician's that think it's cool to wear a card tie, so that goes for show how tacky many magicians are. The only good looking card tie I've ever seen was from Duncan Quinn (excellent designer by the way, bespoke suits that are perfectly tailored at the price that is often a little less than a off the rack Armani) and those were in very limited quantities and have long been discontinued since that particular designer makes his items in runs of 20 or so for each design. It's obvious that you don't care about what my views and Sankey's views are and that's fine. I brought up the whole point just to make folks a little bit more aware of how they dress. It's not the brand of clothing that you wear that makes it look good, it's how it fits, the colours, and detailing. It just happens that the better designers have better pieces which eventually the main stream shops start imitating. It was just a few years ago where not a single guy dared to wear a pink shirt, now look what happened, pink button downs are very popular now. So in this sense, Sankey was right on the money but then again, Sankey was stating the obvious. Sadly the obvious thing we call "common sense" is often not that common.

The majority decides the norm, that is true. That is also why a "fitted" shirt in American standards is actually a very casual/roomy/boxy cut because American men feels safe with a looser cut. However, what no doubt looks better is a more fitted cut for clothes. Nothing beats a custom tailored shirt or suit, know why? Because it's more fitted but guess what, since majority rules, you see more roomier cut clothing for men because the majority doesn't know better. Again, not attacking anybody but I made my point to get people thinking about it. Just look at some of the better working magicians out there, look at the way they dress, they definitely DO NOT dress like the majority of performers out there (of course, children's performer's are a different story). Let me just name one that we all know, Steve Cohen, that man is definitely dressed great and he is undoubtedly a top notch performer. He is also definitely not of the "majority" if you think about it. So in conclusion, no offense to anybody (can't state that enough) but why do we have to confine ourselves to the "majority" instead of putting more effort into all aspects of our performance which also includes the far too often neglected aspect called physical appearance. It's all part of our performance, it all counts, plus with first impressions being oh so very important in the social environments in which we perform in, we need to look approachable and well presented thus keeping up with trends and being a bit fashion conscious is important. We're all familiar with the term, think outside of the box, but we never apply it to the other aspects of performance apart from our patter and methods which is a bit sad.

Here's some more review on the other thread.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......art=0#27

Posted what the "jewelry" is made of on that thread.

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I recceived this yesterday.
The method is exactly what I thought it was, BUT.....

This makes the effect effortless. The spectator CAN do this in their own hands which makes the cold reading even more beleivable to them.Apparently there is another version of this available...for $120 (better chain and lifetime guarantee)
This $80 version comes with a beaded chain (old school) BUT, again this has been jazzed up, as each bead is more like a hexagon. NICE!!
No direction in the box, however, they are on the website (only login and password are in the box with the warranty card)Fantastic idea! This way the directions can be added to at anytime, not just affecting NEW buyers, but allowing everyone to get the upgrade.

For $80.....I give this an 8.5 out of 10.



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magicmind

After reading all the info and reviews I,m still confused on one issue. The spectators can drop the ring themselves and it links everytime?

With the old standard version I cannot get it to link 100% of the time. Is this new ring weighted a special way? What am I missing.

The design and weight of this allows it to work...from my findings....95% of the time.

Paul,
Your add reads

Everything is examinable and happens from spectators’ own hands.

The Infinity is designed into specific weight and material to not only allow the effect to happen with no effort, it will serve you as a piece of jewelry that builds your business and lasts you a lifetime.

The Infinity Ring measures a full 1.75 inches in diameter, making it the perfect conversation piece and has a unique look all it's own. It even comes with a lifetime warranty.

Remember, this is a Hocus Pocus Exclusive, which means you'll only find it here, and nowhere else.

Please note that this is a non-discounted item and is not subject to any said sales, discounts, etc.

Product is not discountable.
Retail: $79.95
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the one I bought from you....says 3 year warranty.....on their website, it is the $120 version that has a lifetime warranty. Which is it on the one you sell, lifetime or 3 years?

Via an email, I was told the ad was corrected. This has a 3yr warranty.

I like the fact that this can be used as a prop for other things too.


Not a bad $80 prop either...