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eshdath New user 61 Posts 
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Hi,I'm looking for sources other than the Dai Vernon Book Of Magic for a good ball and cone routine. I like to do billiard work,but haven't gotten arround to doing a ball and cone routine. The Vernon routine is a good basic routine; I just want a little more to help spark ideas.
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts
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Aldo Columbini has a great vidoe on the ball and cone. Our very own Frank Starsini can supply you with the perfect props for this effect...contact him (Frank) for more info.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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If you can learn it out of the Vernon book, more power to you. It is not correctly described there.
See if you can find Gary Wolfsberger's work on the cone.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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doug brewer V.I.P. 1142 Posts
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Tom Stone. Very creative routine.
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eshdath New user 61 Posts
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On 2008-03-28 15:34, doug brewer wrote: Is he that Frenchman known for his coin and cigarette work or is that David Stone that I'm thinking of?
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eshdath New user 61 Posts
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On 2008-03-28 15:07, Bill Palmer wrote: I did learn it out of the Vernon book years ago,but I never gave it any seriuos consideration until now.I know what you mean though;I didn't realize how good the "BASIC MOVE"could look until I saw Vernon do it the Revelations videos.Until then I had never thought that it was more like a modified retention of vision vanish with the cone acting as the fingers of the opposite hand.
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doug brewer V.I.P. 1142 Posts
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No, he's the Swedish dude. Go to http://shop.tomstone.se/ and look under Deserting The Legion. You can also see the routine on youtube (not sure exact location on that one).
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Senor Mardo in one of his little books has some work on it as does Harry
Riser in Feints and Temps.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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On 2008-03-28 17:45, eshdath wrote: I learned it from Vernon when he did his $1000 lecture tour. He spent about a half hour teaching the proper way to do the move. Ganson completely blew it. He told Ganson, "You T---- P--- the ball, Lewis." Ganson said, "You can't do that with a billiard ball." Vernon demonstrated it, but Ganson refused to put it in the book. If you can do the basic move, though, then the Wolfsberger idea will be right up your alley.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts
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If you're going to be anywhere near Fayetteville North Carolina, April 4-6 or Midwest Magic in Chicago on April 7, I've got a Ball and Cone-inspired routine in my lecture. It's a standup, no table, routine called "Cup One". (thought I'd grab that one first)
The routine pretty much relies on the basic move from the Vernon routine, but with the variation Bill described. If you can't make the scene, the notes will be available on my site, later. See sig.
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eshdath New user 61 Posts
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Hi Bill,I had read about the T.P. controversy between Vernon and Ganson before.The funny thing is that I almost exclusivly use,in my billiard work, a T.P.and a modified finger palm/grip that Al Leech gives credit to Rosini for inventing.I almost never CLASSIC in my billiard work.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts
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I second Tom Stone's routine and damm that doug brewer for beating me to it.
Actually, anything you get by Tom Stone is worth your time.
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mjb16 Loyal user Ossining, New York 208 Posts
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I believe Torkova has a Ball and cone routine...not sure if it is print, but definitely a great routine if you can get your hands on it!
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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I don't want to malign the late Lewis Ganson here, but his descriptions of some of the simplest tricks are so convoluted that it renders the explanations almost meaningless. He was a great photographer, but not a good describer of methods and techniques.
If Lewis and Walter Gibson could have collaborated, imagine how wonderful that combination would have been!
"The Swatter"
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Torkova Regular user Astoria, NY 192 Posts
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When I saw Vernon lecture he didn't have the Cone & Ball with him but mentioned that the routine in the Ganson book was wrong. This was because Vernon used holders and Ganson felt that it would be easier for most readers just to work from their pockets.
And no, sorry but my routine is out of print. Torkova |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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That's the kind of gratuitous editing Lewis would do. It would have been far better for him to have written it up exactly as Vernon told him to do it, then add in a note that it would have been easy to work out of the pockets.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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snushy Veteran user 340 Posts
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It's too bad Torkova's routine is out of print. It is an elegant combination of the Ball & Cone and S. Leo Horowitz's (Mohamed Bey) Egyptian Ball Mystery from "The Stars of Magic."
L. Zaslow
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T SEE? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WATCH! - SLYDINI
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Alan Munro.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5958 Posts
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On 2008-03-28 18:35, Pete Biro wrote: I just picked up Senor Mardo's "Routined Magic" from the local magic shop. The cone used is a party horn and the routine looks nice. That booklet is full of great ideas! |
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snushy Veteran user 340 Posts
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Senor Mardo is one of the most under-rated magicians of his era. There was so much more to him than just his egg bag design.
L. Zaslow
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T SEE? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WATCH! - SLYDINI
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eshdath New user 61 Posts
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Thank you everyone.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 06:30 pm 