Which one is more direct and deceptive by themselves, Dream Signs or Nu's Signagram?

or would it be better to pick up Alain Nu ASTROLOGIC which has a compilation? I see on his site that he has a The Astrologic Training Program (ATP) for $100 which is online and you get virtual subjects to practice on. Has anyone used this before and if so, how helpful was it? Sorry for the many questions

Hi Lunatik,
just for your information, everybody gets a training tool for free with my ZODIAC! ;-)

It is very hard to decide on one thing because everybody works different.
Alain Nu's work is great. You can see that he knows what he does. In my opinion you should look at every single one to know which one suits you.
This was the reason why I created my own one. Is mine better than the rest? For ME personally YES, but maybe not for others. Try to check out as much as possible.
That is the only way to be sure what you need.

If you're looking for a purely letter at a time / anagram approach, Doug Dyment's Sign Language is far stronger and easier to remember than Astrologic in my opinion.

Bevbevvybev, you are absolutely right. But the problem is that in this case you really get NO's which are hard to cover! But Doug's was my starting point so I'm very thankful for this one.

Ditto! The venerable Doug Dyment is quiet the thinker / creator as well so many mentioned in this post. I believe a complete study of the many methods to achieve the one effect and thus to have the seeming ability to repeat the performance (using several methods to cancel out retrograde analysis) seems to be the optimum strategy, in order to ENTERTAIN & MYSTIFY.

I am with John Wells on this one. I personally do not care for the effect of "divining, one out-of-place letter at a time, which of twelve known words you are spelling in your head" as a means of revealing a person's star sign. My two favorite published methods for the no-prop star sign divination effect are Daniel Love's Dream Signs and Chester Sass's Zodiac (from "120% Chestosterone"). Dream Signs uses no word-spelling. Zodiac uses it only briefly and has a clever ruse for reducing the field at the outset. Both create the effect of divining attributes of the star sign, and by extension the subject, which I think is how it should be.

TT

I forget the child's name, a British mentalist with a Billy Idol haircut, but he was gushing over Dreamsigns when it came out (several years ago) and I think he was well justified in his enthusiasm.

The precocious tot with the peroxided locks you refer to is Kennedy, as I recall. (You forgot the violet tinted glasses.)

TT

I just purchased Dream Signs. I'm familiar with other methods (Alain Nu, Joshua Quinn) but this seems very interesting. It appears to be really a fun method and excellent training for other applications in mentalism.

I would like to hear about the success rate of others using this system.

Andre