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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts 
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I have a routine involving the stuffing of an eighteen inch silk into my fist. It takes a while to stuff it into my fist no matter how fast I move my fingers. During which the audience is probably thinking get on with it. What could be done or said to relax the anticipation while a magician stuffs a large silk into his fist?
Jeremy Gates
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts
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Can you roll it into your fist? Rolling a silk takes a jiffy ( for us old folks, make that two jiffies).
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Jef Eaton Special user 526 Posts
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Could you use a diamond cut silk to speed up the process? It has less bulk and looks like an 18 inch. You just can't show it as a full size silk.
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts
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On 2010-12-07 13:27, Spellbinder wrote: By roll what do you mean and how would I do that? Quote:
On 2010-12-07 17:25, Jef Eaton wrote: That would definitely work thanks.
Jeremy Gates
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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This is the kind of thing that you will be better to find some witty patter. Never talk while stuffing, but pause and mention the funny lines.
If silent, use positioning to vary the polking of the silk. Stuff in front of your stomach, then move your hands up in the air with the fist tilted toward the audience, opening that is where the silk is entering. Then the other side. Movement, tempo, etc. creates interest. I realize it depends on the gimmick you are using, but think about it and see if you can come up with some kind of changes to create and hold the interest of the audience. Try to create anticipation causing the audience to wonder what will come next. |
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts
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I do have a silent act and that could work. Thanks
Jeremy Gates
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Bob Sanders 1945 - 2024 Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts
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On 2010-12-07 13:07, J.G. the magnificent wrote: As an old booking agent, a common fault found among performers is thinking that a good show involves showing the audience how fast I can get this done. Usually for a magic act, all this telegraphs is "I have something to hide". Speed is the entertainers' objective and not the objective of the audience. They are there to be entertained. There is no fire to escape! Confidence is perhaps the best investment. Relate to the audience. The silk is incidental. (You will also find that 5-6 "pokes" into the fist is not overdoing it or stressful to accomplish.) Enjoy the show! Bob Sanders Magic by Sander |
hugmagic Inner circle 7672 Posts
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Bob, is correct. Watch General Grant do his color change. It is very slow and deliberate. Pauses and facial expressions can also had variety to the routine.
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts
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I never got back to answer JG's question about rolling. For others who aren't familiar with the concept, try this. Put a tiny knot in the very corner of a silk. Lay the knot on the palm of your non-dominant hand, directly in the center of the palm. With your dominant palm, press down on the knotted corner of the silk and begin to rotate your dominant palm in a circle around the knot. The silk should begin to wind up around the knot and in one or two jiffies, the silk will be in a ball with the knotted corner at the center. This takes some practice, and various factors are to be considered while practicing, such as having slightly moist hands rather than dry hands, learning how much pressure to apply, and so on. Once the silk is rolled up into a ball, you can perform sleight of hand with it as if it were a ball, keeping in mind that if you release the pressure, it may spring back open again, so do what you have to do quickly!
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts
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On 2011-05-18 11:25, Bob Sanders wrote: Ya I have noticed from watching myself on video moves tend to look faster than they seem while I do them. Silk stuffing is probably quicker to the audience than to myself. Quote:
On 2011-05-18 13:24, Spellbinder wrote: I recently go Tarbell Course and he mentions silk rolling like you just said but without the knot. I can do it now, though the advice is appreciated. I never thought to knot the silk. Thanks
Jeremy Gates
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts
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If you can do without the knot, more power to you. The knot is useful to beginners, but once you catch on to the technique, you can do without it.
The technique makes a great way to color change a silk. Roll it into a ball, toss the ball into the air and it unravels, a silk of another color. Like I said above, once it becomes a ball, you can do ball magic with it!
Professor Spellbinder
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts
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Curious how to color change like that but I'm sure I'll figure something. Guess this isn't secret sessions and people don't always want to spoon feed me. Thanks
Jeremy Gates
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Bob Sanders 1945 - 2024 Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts
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One of the real major changes in silk since back in the days when Rice and Tarbell were published is that, at last, very good hems are available. In those days China Silk was not legally available in the USA. Japanese silk was all that most magicians in the USA could get. The hems were rolled, round instead of flat, and sewn with long galloping stitches. Those days are over. The lumpy corners and hems made starting a roll easy.
China silks available today have good, strong, flat, 2mm hems. They are harder to start rolling than the old Japanese round hems. There is good reason now to tie a small knot or sew a small bead into the corner to make it easier to get started rolling. (Once the rolling is started, there is no benefit of either method. And that can also be done but takes some practice.) Improved quality has its price too. The change to China silk is well worth it! (Professional Japanese magicians use China silk.) And for color changing silks methodology, Rice and Tarbell are excellent places to start your research. It will save you a ton of money in DVDs you may never need. Enjoy your silk magic. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
Posted: Dec 7, 2010 06:07 pm 