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danatasmagic New user 69 Posts 
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On 2008-11-27 04:40, gaddy wrote: I totally agree with the above statement. We get in a car, have the radio switched on, hear a song being played for the umpteenth time, we had no desire to sit & learn the lyrics, but a few days or weeks later were singing along to it!!! It's the same with the Masked Prat, watch enough times, & the info (basic principles) will sink in!!!! Magic should be a "Wholesome" Entertainment, ie MYSTERY - PRESENTATION etc etc Take away the mystery, & the entertainment is diminished....... FACT! No matter how well it is performed, no matter how good the presentation.............. Best Wishes Mike Danata |
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts
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What if magicians could refrain from speaking about him and, when people would refer to his show just play it down and answer "Who? Oh! Him! The guy is a looser, nobody does the tricks that way anymore... It's just a corny marketing packaging for oldies!"
Magicians have been the best advertisers on this @*&%§ person (person meaning no one). The public doesn't like anything more than a debate. By doing five pages on the café speaking about him, we pave his way. Since we cannot prevent his screen self promotion, let's ignore this non existant guy. This is the first and last time I post about this "thing"
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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amazing_gordo New user Toronto, Canada 35 Posts
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On 2008-12-02 12:44, Big Daddy Cool wrote: As a matter of fact I did, but I wasn't exactly talking to you specifically, as you didn't create the thread. I was just giving MY own general opinion on M.M. I've heard the "Masked Magician is helping magic because he's making magicians come up with NEW effects!" shtick before. It's the same excuse Valentino gave for his behavior, and it's totally wrong. The reality? He sold out. He did it for the money. Although if you're asking if I agree with you, then obviously YOU did not read one word that I wrote, sir. |
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Mike Webb New user 70 Posts
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Patents and copyrights are two differnt things.
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amazing_gordo New user Toronto, Canada 35 Posts
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On 2009-06-15 06:58, Mike Webb wrote: Are they both not equally protected under the law? |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts
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A number of years ago, an escapologist on a TV special exposed both the Houdini handcuff-dive method and the DeVal straitjacket.
Even immediately after the special, I would have no qualms about using either method, as the general public has a short memory and a general lack of interest. Add to that how few people actually watched the show, over all of the other fare available on cable...
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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There are factors in this that most of you are not aware of. There are also factors that I believe you need to be reminded of. Let's go back to the first MM shows -- the ones that were done back in the 1990's. When they first aired, I was the first person to reveal who the Masked Magician was on the internet. I did this within 72 hours of his performance and I posted his photo to my web site. Since then, I moved those pages to http://www.nomagicexposure.com. Remember, back in those days, the identity of the MM was a big secret.
I was interviewed by Fox and other broadcasters, and at one point, I realized that by giving so much attention to the MM, I was actually promoting his show, not stopping it. At the time that the first series ran, the World Alliance of Magicians, of which I was a charter member, was still in existence. They mailed out thousands of letters and petitions to sponsors, etc., and most of the high dollar sponsors did pull out. However, it was always controversial, and controversy sells advertising, if not to one company to another. Once the MM began to lie dormant, I basically pulled out of the active anti-exposure game and decided to leave it to the rest of the magicians, although I did get involved in some controversy over the Ouatagamie County Museum fiasco. That's another story though. Anyway, here's the situation: 1) The patent expired on the Gamolo Levitation 20 years after it was applied for. That's the law. Gale Molovinsky is a friend of mine, and he is a good lawyer, but if his field is not patent and trademarks, he may not be completely up on this aspect of the law. The original papers were filed in 1979, so the patent expired in 1999. 2) It is not illegal to expose magic, even if it's patented. It may be immoral. It may be unethical. It may even be against the rules of the IBM, the SAM, the Magic Circle and all the other magical societies. But it isn't against the law. If I were to stand on the street corner and expose Johnny Gaughan's "Flying," I could not be arrested for it, but I could be booted out of the magic clubs. 3) There may be damages -- and this might be what Gale is going for. If I were to expose "Flying," and DC or JG could prove that I had affected the sales of their tickets or their props, then they might be able to sue me for damages. But if I show the judge that the secret is exposed on the internet by the USPTO, then there isn't much of a case. 4) Look at the production credits for the MM shows. They are produced by a fellow named Nash. He is the same fellow who produced "The World's Greatest Magic Show" at the Greek Isles Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. It's his show. His idea. His money. He still produces live shows. Nobody working in Vegas will say much against him. I don't work in Vegas. So I will. So the exposure is coming from within, basically. But the real source isn't Val. It's Nash. Val is just his masked puppet.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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kipling100 Loyal user 260 Posts
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On 2009-07-03 01:45, Bill Palmer wrote: A patent gives the owner the right to exclude someone from making, USING, selling, and importing the patented invention for a period of time. Thus, while it is not illegal to expose the secret of a patented illusion, you cannot expose it by actually practicing the claimed process or using the claimed apparatus. Because the MM actually performs the effect before and during the explanation, he would be in fact infringing a patented invention. The implication of this is that if the MM is only legally able to expose expired patents, that means the show -- as it currently operates -- can only reveal patented illusions that are at least 20 years old. |
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts
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I don't see the Worlds Greatest illusions any more on the TV schedule, but the the Secrets exposed is still running weekly.
I guess the audience is more interested in how it's done opposed to enjoying the presentation side.
Dennis Michael
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Terry Owens Inner circle Ft. Wayne, Indiana 1707 Posts
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According to Gay Blackstone, they had much higher ratings than the masked one...a matter of fact the viewing audience dropped way off after Masters of Illusion concluded each week...according to an interview that was done with Gay. So there must be another reason...they do not have any more new programs for the Masters of Illusion, maybe they had more taped for the "other guy"
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Xemm New user 31 Posts
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Guys..... I just bought a DVD with a full 12 episodes of Magic biggest Secret finally Revealed it is said season 1..I do not know how many seasons the show already aired. As a magician I do feel sad and angry as they said breaking magicians code..The show is aired weekly in my country, I lived in the souhteast Asia, and I believe the show is aired worldwide by now considering I lived in a third world country. Oouuw I pay only equally one dollar in US currency for the DVD...The art of Magic is closed with it's secret..by abusing the secrets is destroying the art as well...I think MM is a fool by making money using the art that way...I am wondering if his real face is uglier than the mask he is wearing...
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KURT MOORE LARSON New user New Britain, Connecticut USA 30 Posts
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Magicians who intentionally break their own code of conduct, albeit self-imposed, to keep the secrets of magic "SECRET" can do all caring magicians a favor and find some other ways to make their living. In the words of one of my many mentors of my many years in magic............
Never tell the secret. "No matter how small and unimportant what we are doing may seem, if we do it well, it may soon become the step that will lead us to better things." Channing Pollock ......nuff said - I rest my case.
Kurt Moore Larson is "The Amusionist".
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts
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On 2009-07-18 14:54, Xemm wrote: Well, you bought, and now own 12 episodes to feel sad and angry about everytime you watch it.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts
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The show makes money so it will continue to be on the air. Here is the real truth behind tv. It's all based on ratings. Ratings=$$$ I am on a tv show now, (Drop Dead Diva on Lifetime Ntwrk). Its a brand new show and is airing for the first time right now. This Sunday is only our 3rd show. We are filming 13 episodes. When the first show aired, everyone on set was abuzz wondering what the ratings were. The producers came to the set the very next week and went over the ratings with us. We had a bit over 3 million viewers for that premier show. To them that was a HUGE success. And if the next 2 weeks lived up to that or slightly lower ratings, then they would order another 22 episodes for the 2nd season. When I heard this I was shocked! 3 million viewers?! I thought that was bad. But when I questioned them on it, they said, remember, this is a cable tv show and not a network tv show. 2 to 3 million viewers on a smaller network is considered great. While on a network like CBS, that show would be considered a failure and be canceled. Now considering that this show airs on The CW, a very small network, we can probably figure that the audience is between 1.5 to 2 million viewers a week. The population of the US right now is about 305 million. At this rate, if 2 million different viewers watched the show each week, it would take about 3 years for everyone in the US to see one show. But each week they don't pick up 2 million new viewers. They probably have the same viewers every week. We all have shows we watch religiously. This one is no different. I would venture to say, that a large portion of that are magicians. If a quarter to one third of the viewership was magicians, and they simply quit watching, then the ratings wold tank enough to take the show off the air. But magicians will not quit watching the show. Even magicians from this site and many others across the net. They watch because of the same reasons as other people do, they are curious. They want to see the secret. **(the next sentence might make some here mad)** These magicians feel that they are entitled to see the secret as they are "magicians" as well and part of the same brotherhood. Its the same thinking that makes people trade torrent files of magic items illegally. My point is, that this exposure business is exactly that. BUSINESS. We as magicians, need to find a way to make magic a more profitable business. But when we willingly and illegally trade our own stuff away, we have no hope to stop others from doing the same. Change must happen from within first. |
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