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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts 
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This is a stupid question from me.
1. Why is Okito so valuable? 2. Why does his autograph photos worth so much? 3. Are autograph copies of photos worth anything?
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Clay Shevlin Elite user 497 Posts
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Frances,
If anything, those are 3 stupid questions, not one! 
In brief, Okito (Theodore Bamberg) is popular with historians and collectors because his family is unique, for he was part of six generations of Bambergs who performed magic (his son, Davi Tobias Bamberg, aka Fu Manchu, was the sixth and last generation of this dynasty). Okito was also known for building beautiful apparatus, much prized by collectors nowadays. His autographed photos are valuable for the above reasons. As for your last question, I'm sorry but I don't understand it! Hope the foregoing is helpful. And there are no stupid questions if they are sincere. Clay |
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drhackenbush Special user 686 Posts
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If the photo is hand signed, yes, it is worth something - I don't know Okito's particular value, but yes. If, though, it's a photo with a printed autograph as part of the picture itself, and not hand signed, then the photo may have some collector value, but not the same as the one with the real autograph. F'rinstance, many families still have the official portraits of John F. Kennedy with a printed white signature that actually bears little resemblence to his real signature, and are more of sentimental value and perhaps some minor collectible value, while hand signed (by HIM, not his secretaries or the autopen machine) photos run in the thousands of dollars.
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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts
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On 2007-08-16 01:02, Clay Shevlin wrote: Thanks Clay. I do know all about the six dynaties. When I was 4 I met Lola. The photocopy photo is an exact copy of a photograph that Okito signed with the seal. I think it was a photo that Theo had around that had a mistake on it when he signed it. because he scratched it out. And someone must have made a copy of it. So its really a photocopy of the photo.
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On 2007-08-16 01:21, drhackenbush wrote: The last part of you said, about the his secretaries and autopen machine is pretty much the same thing with most of the Dante signature from 1943-1945. The Okito photo that is a copy is a hand signed copy of the photograph with seal. And dated as well.
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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts
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OK here's another question.
Is it rare to find an Okito photograph with a wax seal over an adehesive red/white seal?
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MentalistCreationLab Inner circle 1528 Posts
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This is another one of those post like Why is Dai Vernon Important. I will say only this I love Okito and own a first edition of his book. I wish there was more talk on the history of magic so the new generation would under stand were our heritage comes from. So a simple call to you older magicians Maybe its time to start teaching the history of magic at the magic meetings.Just a thought.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24317 Posts
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I guess you don't know who Marshall Thornside is. A call to some of the older members of the Café might have saved you the embarrassment of trying to figure this out.
She said that at the age of 4 she met Lola. Maybe you have heard of Marshall's father. His name is De Yip Loo.
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On 2007-12-28 16:17, MentalistCreationLab wrote: This isn't about Okito and his contribution to magic or history. Its about why his autograph and items are worth so much month.
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MentalistCreationLab Inner circle 1528 Posts
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The reason his autograph and items are worth so much is due to his contribution to magic. With out these his autograph and item would be worth about as much as a Dr. Johnathan Eli, Whom you probably never heard of. Whom I happen to think is a brilliant Mentalist. I will say this some of the Okito Items were made by master builders and are of a remarkable high quality seldom seen these days. This is one reason of many for the upturn in market value.
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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts
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Clay really answered the question.
I know quite a bit about Theo, just never quite put the two together. I also found how valuable his red seal stickers were. I still don't know what the est value of an autographed photo copy are worth. and The one that has not been answered was this: Quote: On 2007-08-16 08:50, Marshall Thornside wrote:
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mrmagician Regular user 124 Posts
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We are not familiar of a wax seal used by Theo. He did have different colors of the embossed paper seal.
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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts
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He had a wax seal.
he used red wax on a BW photo.
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Jonathan Smith Regular user 125 Posts
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Is this photo for sale?
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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts
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I wouldn't even know what it'd be worth to put it up for sale.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24317 Posts
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On 2007-12-28 16:17, MentalistCreationLab wrote: Perhaps you should have read the questions more carefully. Marshall wasn't asking why Okito's material was important. What she has been trying to estblish is the monetary value of this particular piece.
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Posted: Jul 28, 2007 08:29 pm 