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Chris Jenkins Regular user 142 Posts 
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What are peoples' opinions on using the method taught in Memorised BCS for memorising the Mnemonica stack? Not sure if I am missing something, but for me this appeals more than the method taught in Tamariz's book...?
Before I embark on the approach, would appreciate what people think?? Thanks |
Bill Lhotta Veteran user on top of a 14000' mountain in Colorado 357 Posts
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Well the answer is simple. Use whatever method appeals to you most and the one you are likely to stick to until you truly memorize the deck.
Some people like the brute force method and others prefer the mnemonic associations like those taught in learning the Aronson Stack. I used the Tamariz methods and they worked very well for me. Hope that helps and good luck! ** Bill ** |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1571 Posts
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Go with Osterlinds Memorized Breakthrough Card System. If you work with his BCS then memorizing it will only add to the effectiveness of it.
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sullivanl Loyal user 277 Posts
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Learn the method Tamariz teaches in the book. It is the best method out there, it just makes a lot of sense. I got the stack down in about 4 days.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Or learn the Joyal stack, and make it 4 hours instead of 4 days. ok, the book says 6 hours, but it didn't take that long.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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opay New user 100 Posts
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Osterlind BCS ( Breakthrough Card System) maybe little confused first, but when you mastering it, it will become very usefull
best regards
=payz= |
Mago Gregorio Elite user Paris, France 473 Posts
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On 2006-03-13 03:50, LobowolfXXX wrote: Lobowolf, in which book can I find the Joyal stack ?? :bikes:  
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Sergey Smirnov New user Belgium 70 Posts
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I used Tamariz's method and it worked well for me.
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jcigam Special user Bellevue, Nebraska 512 Posts
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"The mind has exactly the same power as the hand, not merely to grasp the world, but to change it."
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts
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On 2006-03-13 03:50, LobowolfXXX wrote: It took me less than 6 hours as well. |
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xformer7 Veteran user Central NJ 309 Posts
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I also "learned" the stack in under 6 hours. Don't confuse this with knowing the stack cold, however. At six hours, I could determine the card at a specified position or vice versa, but it took me weeks to know it cold and have an instant association.
Nick Pudar's Stackview (http://www.stackview.com) was invaluable to getting my stack down cold. |
Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts
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You might care to read "Mnemonics with Cards" by H. Adrian Smith found on page 902 of "Greater Magic".
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2006-03-13 06:37, Mago Gregorio wrote: "The Six Hour Memorized Deck." The subsequent post, though, about "knowing" the stack vs. having it down cold, is quite correct.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2504 Posts
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My own stack can easily be learned in less than an hour. I wholeheartedly agree with the previous posters that there is a difference between "learning" a stack (i.e., you know the card at every position, and vice versa) and being able to recall this information with absolutely no hesitation. That said, however, there are plenty of excellent effects that require only the "knowing".
This issue is discussed at more length in my on-line essay on full-deck stacks.
The Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More :: (order "Calculated Thoughts" from Vanishing Inc.)
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Ron Giesecke Special user Redding, Ca. 947 Posts
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I'm hacking the Mnemonica stack into a ajamming blues song, and recording it in my home studio, myself.
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts
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[Warning: Off Topic post]
Wow Ron! I'd be interested in hearing a short sample of that when the time comes. Could be even more catchy than Tom Leherers song of the chemical elements. Is that where you go the idea? Michael |
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strollingmagician Loyal user 285 Posts
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Tamariz method of memorizing is the best for me, using the methods given in his wonderful book, it took me 3 hours with the song on my ipod, and the picture cards and singing and drawing and reviewing, its great he says after 20 years, someone who did nothing with the stack can still remeber the cards.
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts
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On 2006-03-14 06:37, molsen wrote: The elements song is great! But Tamariz actually tells you to make a song up in the book, and explains what you should do with it.
tjo'
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mormonyoyoman Inner circle I dug 5,000 postholes, but I have only 2440 Posts
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Tamariz's method is quite good -- and the system for Memorized BCS is quite good -- because they're each based on Harry Lorayne's "memorize anything, anywhere, any time" methods. Richard Osterlind even credits this in the Mem BCS book. Tamariz doesn't use Harry's peg system, but he uses the "ridiculous association" method.
#ShareGoodness #ldsconf
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts
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I had memorized Mnemonioca, but sadly let it "fade". I have now been using the BCS for a number of routines and really love the use.
I am soon going to memorize the BCS and use it exclusively. Why not have the best of both worlds. I am sure Richard will attest to the fact that memorizing it when you use it all the time becomes second nature, BUT... What if you never had to worry about forgetting what card comes after the 3 of Clubs, or the 8 of diamonds. I mean you never have to "fear" forgetting in performance again. Your cue is always there (the card before). There.. I've said it, now I am off the memorize. Sean |
Posted: Mar 11, 2006 05:24 pm 