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Here's another first time effect, that is in my current lecture. I never posted the whole thing online because it was a little odd.
Anyway, this is an un-gaffed traveling knot effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hALqI-209GI

It was the first time I had done this as a complete effect.
The music just makes me feel good.
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I like it... a lot.... gives me an idea...
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My immediate thought (beyond appraciation) is that at the end when the moving knot is at the center the rope it is actually cut rather than restored. Hard on rope purchases I know, but a follow-up effect can now be done with the shorter section. Then as a finale the ropes are again tied, stretched across and fastened to the chair -- and the knot now removed for the restoration.
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On 2010-09-17 07:39, funsway wrote:
My immediate thought (beyond appraciation) is that at the end when the moving knot is at the center the rope it is actually cut rather than restored. Hard on rope purchases I know, but a follow-up effect can now be done with the shorter section. Then as a finale the ropes are again tied, stretched across and fastened to the chair -- and the knot now removed for the restoration.

That would not be possible and still have an ordinary rope. I have, however, routined this with other effects. Plus, I can lead this in from Tabary, Sands, or Sanders effects, as the gimmick can be obtained from there.
The effect is, however a spoof of the sliding knot and has a degree of difficulty (as in awkward handling).
I have one move in this effect, that I had edited out at one time because it looked like a flash. But, I actually liked it after watching a few times, and, cannot figure out exactly how I did it.

On another aspect: I had a PM on this and the writer said "Back to the audience, BAD!"
My thought on this:
The back turning was deliberate, in order to do the move...I needed full body cover.
The "back rule" is generally a no-no unless it is integral to the effect.
I have used my back to the audience in other effects, and so have illusionists. The back is a form of misdirection when on a larger stage. It allows you to diss-appear and direct attention to the other elements on a stage.
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Have a long piece, like you use. Near end No. 2 (2-3-feet from end) cut rope in advance and rubber cement back together.

Use a loop on a sleeve pull. Cut "it" AND TIE AROUND ROPE. Slide to cemented spot, pull rope apard and let loop fly up sleeve.

Show you have cut and moved the cut.
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Very nice Ian
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On 2010-09-17 20:19, Pete Biro wrote:
Have a long piece, like you use. Near end No. 2 (2-3-feet from end) cut rope in advance and rubber cement back together.

Use a loop on a sleeve pull. Cut "it" AND TIE AROUND ROPE. Slide to cemented spot, pull rope apard and let loop fly up sleeve.

Show you have cut and moved the cut.

Great ideas, but the point of this is to do as little as possible and achieve the cut and slide. The rope, both before and after the effect, can be examined. Even the setup, which could use a "knife" or scissor to add the gaff has been simplified with a mere palm.
The really cool part is going from a Sands effect or Fiber optic and using that to do the effect. In my case, I use a rope loop routine (of my own design) and then proceed to doing the Tango cut. No holdouts, pulls, levers, or pulleys, just rope and scissors and technique.
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Never face you back to the Audience ???
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Never face you back to the Audience ???

That is a general rule and not a law. My back (in the case of this effect) is used as an integral part of the effect. I theatrically acknowledge the rope pieces and use my body as the frame for the effect. Even an illusionist has strategic back shots during an illusion.
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Congratulations Ian. It's a good routine. You've got a creative mind. See you!!!
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On 2010-09-29 04:09, wally wrote:
Never face you back to the Audience ???

That is a general rule and not a law. My back (in the case of this effect) is used as an integral part of the effect. I theatrically acknowledge the rope pieces and use my body as the frame for the effect. Even an illusionist has strategic back shots during an illusion.


Too me it looks like your hiding way too much with your arms and your whole body. There are ways to achieve this without looking like you have something to hide.

Nice routine but it seems like it needs a little more.

Just my thoughts I am not Rope Technician though.

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Too me it looks like your hiding way too much with your arms and your whole body. There are ways to achieve this without looking like you have something to hide.

Nice routine but it seems like it needs a little more.

Just my thoughts I am not Rope Technician though.

Floyd

Man, I do have a lot to hide. The body reverse, is admittedly a rough move, and I do not do it in a routine. This was just a sample of possible moves. The real move is the basic cut, separate, and move the rope back to restore it. The routine was a poof on the Pavel routine.
I am juggling so many pieces as this effect is done, that I doubt it would be viable as a real routine for the Pavel effect.
However, I am not using any gimmicks at all, so the extra arm and body movement is integral to implementation.
When developing avante garde routines, it is necessary to be odd and have suspicious movement until the routine is refined.
I originally posted this effect without that back move.
If you were a rope technician, you might appreciate the effect more. But, your observation as an audience is greatly appreciated.
BTW, I created this when I was 27.
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Even better the second time.
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Nice effect Ian. I also like the music but maybe it should be called the "Barefoot Tango".

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