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JayF Regular user 160 Posts 
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Hi! I perform at a restaurant on Friday nights, and I've decided I'd like to add a finger ring and string routine to my repertoire. I like the fact that they are usually modular. Modular routines can be helpful in restaurants because you can just wrap it up if the food comes, and the folks will have already seen some magic even if you've only gotten through a couple of phases.
I own several finger ring and string routines. I'm wondering if any of you who have used any of them would offer an opinion on them. I'm not trying to start any debates on here. I just figure some of you may have already compared some of these routines and might be willing to share why you have chosen one routine over another. Here's what I have: Dan Fleshman's routine Scott Guinn's routine Bob Miller's Relentless routine Diamond Jim Tyler's routine Gregory Wilson's Ring Leader routine I also have an old VHS video of Ray Grismer's Ring and Rope Routines. I already realize that I could go through them all and make up my own mind. I'm in the process of doing that. I'd still like to know what other people think about any of these routines. Thanks, Jay |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts
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Every one of them is great. The only additions I can think of are a few of Ray Grismer's routines ("Ring" and "Thru") as well as Earl Nelsen ("Another Ring Move"), all of which are available in past issues of Genii Magazine. If you have a Genii subscription you have access to all of their archives.
Also, Gary Ouellet has some great ring and string work in his "Homing Ring". But as I said, you have enough work there to perform as great a routine as you wish. Jim |
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JayF Regular user 160 Posts
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On Aug 5, 2014, J-Mac wrote: I have a subscription to Genii. Also, I think "Ring" and "Thru" might both be on the Ray Grismer video, and I do have Variations. Let me ask you this: If you were going to learn only one of those routines that I have listed, which one would you choose? Thanks! Jay |
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Sackninja New user 64 Posts
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I have ring leader and you could easily put together a routine with just that. It also includes a nice trick from jay Sankey with a spoon and a ring which shouldn't be over looked. Even just the standard ring leader routine could be used as it comes but the DVD also features a ton of nice phases to put your own routine.
I don't have anything else you mentioned sadly. I wish you luck in putting together a ring and string routine. If you put enough practice in, its a routine that can really kill. |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts
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On Aug 5, 2014, JayF wrote: Hi Jay. If I had to go with only one, it would be Scott Guinn's "Symphony for Ring and String". He uses sleights and moves from different magicians and in my opinion he has picked the best of the bunch to mash together into a routine. I love Dan Fleshman's Purse Production as an opener - best Ring and String opener there is as far as I'm concerned! Then the usual sequence of alternating on and off penetrations, and he has tossed in one of my favorite all-time finger ring effects: Jim Ryan's "Rope, Ring, and Rod". That one's my favorite. 
Take care. Jim |
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JayF Regular user 160 Posts
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Hi Jay. If I had to go with only one, it would be Scott Guinn's "Symphony for Ring and String". He uses sleights and moves from different magicians and in my opinion he has picked the best of the bunch to mash together into a routine. I love Dan Fleshman's Purse Production as an opener - best Ring and String opener there is as far as I'm concerned! Then the usual sequence of alternating on and off penetrations, and he has tossed in one of my favorite all-time finger ring effects: Jim Ryan's "Rope, Ring, and Rod". That one's my favorite.
Take care. Jim [/quote] Thanks, Jim! As Scott says, "if you steal from several sources, it's research!" I've been leaning toward doing a routine that requires only a ring & string and no other props because pocket space is already an issue when I'm table-hopping. However, I'm going to take another look at Scott's routine because of your post. Btw, I think Scott's routine for the patriotic ropes, "The Magic Jumprope," is fantastic! I perform it in almost every kid and family show I do. Jay |
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JayF Regular user 160 Posts
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On Aug 5, 2014, Sackninja wrote: Thank you! As I mentioned in another post, I've been leaning toward doing a routine that only requires a ring & string and no other props. So, the basic Ring Leader routine would probably work really well, at least as an initial routine to do. The routine I used to do was well-received. So, why did it drop out of my repertoire? I went through an "I'm only doing card tricks" phase, and when the phase ended, I just never brought that trick back. Until now. When I can't remember what I used to do. One thing I do remember is that I used some of Michael Close's lines when I did Clifton's Ring Move. I would do the move and ask the spectator what letter I made on the back of my hand. He or she would say an "X." I'd say "correct." I'd then ask them what their middle name was. They'd answer. I'd say, "correct." Then, if I was using a borrowed ring, I'd say, "and what is the melting point of gold?" Pause for a moment, and say, "times up." Pretend to rub the ring on the string and comment about how the ring is melting. Show the ring has vanished. That is all straight from Michael Close. If I was using my own ring, the third question I'd ask is "what is the technical definition of sleight-of-hand." Whatever they would say, I'd say, "correct." Then, I'd say, "That's how you define sleight-of-hand. This is what it looks like." Show the ring has vanished. Thanks again for taking the time to post an answer to my question! Jay |
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JayF Regular user 160 Posts
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Darn it! I forgot to mention something. As I said, I used some of Michael Close's lines when I did Clifton's Ring Move. I would usually make this move the final phase. If I was using a borrowed ring, I'd tell the spectator that I was going to ask them three questions, and if they could answer all of them, that they would get their ring back (that part was from Close). If I was using my own ring, I'd tell a female spectator that I was going to ask her three questions, and if she got them all correct, she'd win a free gift. Since she would answer all three questions correctly, I make her an origami rose as her free gift.
Another thing I remember about doing the routine -- I began to mainly do it with my own ring. When I first started, I tried to always do it with a borrowed ring. But, there were times when no one in a group had a suitable ring, or no one seemed to want to loan their ring to me. So, I began to say, "I'd like to show you something with a ring and a string. We can do it with my ring, or one of your's." I'd pause. If no one quickly volunteered a ring, I'd just go into it with my ring. Frankly, I did not notice any "drop" in the response to my doing it with my ring instead of one of their's. Jay |
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JayF Regular user 160 Posts
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The "technical definition of sleight-of-hand" line came from Simon Lovell's Card in Mouth routine. Gotta make sure I credit everything that's not mine.
Jay |
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6145 Posts
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Ring Leader is nice because it's a well structured routine with a nice build.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10970 Posts
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Bob millers relentless ring and string routine
it is now on dvd |
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JayF Regular user 160 Posts
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On Aug 6, 2014, vinsmagic wrote: Thanks for the recommendation! I decided to "dip my toe" back into the ring and string routine "pool." I put together a simple three phase routine. I performed it at a walk-around gig today, and it went pretty well. The people responded well, and I had fun doing it. I had found a three phase routine on one of Jon Tremaine's videos. I decided to use the first two phases of his routine, and then I did the Clifton move as the third phase. Quite simple and easy to do. I'm going to be working to learn some more phases to expand the routine. But, at least I have a ring and string routine now that I know I can do.
Thanks again to everyone who posted suggestions, recommendations, and comments!!! Jay |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10970 Posts
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Alex Rapattoni Loyal user Seattle, Wa 229 Posts
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Relentless is an awesome DVD. Just using the DVD and bonus moves, I came up with a very solid routine of my own. It's about 7 phases (depending on how you count them) and I use the ring and string as an example while talking about time travel. With all the material you have, you should be able to put something amazing together, just think about the conservation of movement. You don't want to have two "off" moves in a row, if you're gonna put the ring on the string you might as well do it magically.
Weird is part of the job.
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mtgoldstein Veteran user Houston, TX 325 Posts
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While not exactly a ring on string Troy Houser's Charming Chinese Challange or J Pierce's version CCC Revisited is a close cousin
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Boston Bob New user 13 Posts
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Sankey just released devil's tail, might check that out.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9545 Posts
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On Aug 15, 2014, vinsmagic wrote: Just beautiful work Vinny. Always better sometimes to show rather than just tell. Good job!
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funsway Eternal Order old things in new ways - new things in old ways 10002 Posts
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Go Vinny. I am currently writing an eBook on the use of a Spiral Purse (Rose Purse) with coins.
Now I think I will include some uses for a finger ring -- and maybe even a separate wBook Thanks
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Red Neck Magician Regular user Down Yonder 190 Posts
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Is Scott guinn symphony for ring and string only taught through the ebook or is it the same routine on his DVD great Scott? Any help would be great. Thanks
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts
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On Nov 6, 2014, Red Neck Magician wrote: I am wondering about that too. I recently found some spiral bound books in storage. Two were "Great Scott! It's Coin Magic" vol 2, 2nd ed and "Great Scott! It's More Magic" vol 3, 2nd ed. --- I saw where he sold all of his book rights to www.Lybrary.com (a great source for magic ebooks and some vids) but I cant find out anywhere what I am missing from what would have been "Great Scott! It's xxxxx Magic" vol 1, 2nd ed. I see the dvd you mention and I see many of the routines in my 2 vol's as stand alones for around $10 ea (so I must have a gold mine in the 2 I have) buty would love to find the vol 1 and any that may have gone past the 3rd vol. Symphony for Ring and string is in my vol3 book and I like it as much as I like Ring Leader, CCC and ReCharmed I'm Sure. Great Scott has Great Stuff no matter where you get it
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