Corbett
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Posted: Jul 14, 2011 10:58 pm
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For those of you that regularly do finger ring and string routines, what are your thoughts on the number of phases that is optimal?
I think there can be a fine line between wanting to showcase phases that are really magical...., and overkill. Other thoughts?
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taiga
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Posted: Jul 15, 2011 01:38 am
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I do 4 phases then a good climax. It is, for me, the most efficient routine. Each phase has been chosen carefully and is there on purpose.
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Corbett
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Posted: Jul 15, 2011 02:03 am
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So, 5 total?
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Posted: Jul 15, 2011 03:17 am
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I use Dan Fleshman's routine. It uses 4 phases total. The opening phase, two middles, and the closing. Dan Fleshman, (after the 4 phases) goes into Ring Flight. I do something a little different... Phase 4, I vanish the ring off the string ala Earl Nelson (Clifton Ring Move), then it reappears in the card box.
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Posted: Jul 15, 2011 08:56 am
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CORBETT
Yes 5 total. The last phase is " the ring is found inside my coat tied to a safety pin". The 4 preceding phases are pretty standards. Ring off the rope, ring on the rope, ring disappears from the rope, ring reappear on the rope then ring completely vanished to be found inside my coat on a safety pin.
I use a red velvet rope as it add a soft touch to the manipulation and a certain class (red velvet) to the routine.
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Posted: Jul 15, 2011 02:13 pm
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I think that a well put together routine, even with nothing but a finger ring and string, can be kept fresh and entertaining as long as you do not repeat any of the phases twice. However, I tend to agree that for most situations, anything between 5-8 phases is just about right. One of the best routines ever written for this was the Relentless Ring & String Routine by Bob Miller, which I use all the time. If you separate each individual effect in the whole original routine, there are 8 single effects within 5 actual phases.
Jahn Gallo (NOT John Gallo) has a ring and rope DVD detailing an entire 12 minute act with nothing but a 3-5 inch ring (depending on your venue) and a rope. It kills every time! I bring this up though because at least for me, I have found that many of the ideas on that DVD can be adapted to close-up work with a finger ring and string. That DVD, by the way, is called Ring N Rope.
I hope this information is useful to you.
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Posted: Jul 16, 2011 12:03 am
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The routine I do has three phases. Works well for me.
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Posted: Jul 16, 2011 06:08 pm
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I perform a 4 phase routine - the ring goes on, the ring comes off, the ring is rethreaded and comes off in full view, and the ring is rethreaded and a knot forms around it. I think that if you can perform a routine that continues to build, you can have a lengthy routine. Presentation is probably the most important factor in how long you can go. I imagine that a great comedy presentation could result in a routine with many phases.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 04:50 am
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Corbett,
I don’t know if you have ever seen Bob Miller's "Relentless Ring and String" routine but that one seems to be a perfect length. There are basically seven phases if you count the knot work at the beginning as one phase and don’t do the extra "bonus" effects at the end. The seven all flow nicely in the usual "ring on, ring off" fashion, done using various methods - all of which are classics and all of which fit together as well as in any ring and string routine I have seen.
Thanks!
Jim
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Posted: Jul 28, 2011 09:16 am
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I don't know if there is so much as an optimal number of phases, as there is good structure and routining. Ideally the routine should build as it goes, seemingly more impossible with each phase, then end with a logical finale that is the most impossible of them all. Some routines can accomplish this in 8 phases, some do it in only three.
I think that most of all it's the overall effect that the routine has on an audience that matters. Certain tricks demand repetition, and so it makes sense to do multiple phases. Other tricks are satisfying after only one or two repetitions. But either way you go, the effect should build in strength and impact and finish with something great that has a good applause point.
Some routines are actually made stronger by eliminating phases, rather than by adding them. By cutting away anything that's repetitive and getting to the bare bones of the effect, it can make the effect more clear to the audience and keep the energy and interest high through the whole routine.
Of course determining how many phases are needed in a particular routine takes a lot of thought and work, along with some audience testing to see how the various phases are recieved.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2011 05:48 am
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I only do 3 phases. I start with some rope, tell my little joke, do one handed knot to the rope, untie it, take my 5 inch ring, attach the ring to the rope and then take my other ring, link it to the other ring. So it's basically linking rings and rope routine.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2011 10:44 am
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As already stated, Bob Miller's routine is excellent and the number of phases is just right.
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Good to here.