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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts 
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Has anyone counted how many people have gone berserk this year and went on a shooting rampage? I think I just read about at least two or three more since the first I don't know how many.
:confused: ?????????? 
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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It's quite interesting: the last time someone posted on this topic (me
 ), there were a lot of posts suggesting there has been no increase in such events other than what the normal increase in total world-wide population would account for.
That might be true; but it is probably also true that no one who posted such an opinion had real statistics to offer. Scott seems to be a guy who knows where to find statistics and numbers. Maybe he will take the time to look into this. My own gut feeling (without statistics) is that such incidents of running amok with guns and killing multiple victims is on the increase. I'm too busy entertaining my son today to put any real time into it, but I might later. It's an important issue. Simply saying that these incidents are simply being reported more often these days is much too simple. Every time someone shoots up a school or a shopping mall it gets reported. We're not simply more aware of mass murder. There IS a lot of mass murder. Whether there is more today than twenty or thirty or a hundred years ago is an open question. In answer to the original post: Wikipedia has a list of school shootings and mass murders, but due to the nature of Wikipedia, it certainly isn't all-inclusive. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3530 Posts
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Why? Feeling the urge? I don't understand why more people just don't take up gardening or something. Always with the guns and such!
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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Again, it's only my gut and not statistics: but I think this is some kind of modern phenomenon. I don't mean that it didn't happen until recently, but that something is making the urge more predominant.
The fascination with these killings also seems to be on the increase. There is already a Wikipedia article up on the Binghamton shootings. The Wikipedia article on the Columbine shootings is perversely detailed. The disease seems to be spreading. But, as I have already said, I have no statistics to prove it. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts
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Crap, I heard about the events in Binghamton, NY, yesterday, by the guy who was reported to be depressed over losing his job.
But I just heard about the shootings in Pittsburgh this morning.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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Pittsburgh?
May the gods help us. Do I want to know? I guess I do. I'm outa here, reading the news. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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On the bright side members of cultures considered 'docile' are now stepping up and diversifying. I'm sure a certain part of the population felt they were under represented in the mass killing community.
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts
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In many ways, the profile of the mass killer looks a lot like the profile of the clinical narcissist, and that's a very bad thing. These people plan to carry out a mass killing without any indication of when they will do it. They simply decide that today is the day.
They don't snap - they become unhinge.
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3530 Posts
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On 2009-04-04 15:07, evolve629 wrote: A darned good point, Lindini! In a nation of narcissists, this is a chilling prospect indeed.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts
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Maybe we should oulaw all centerfire and rimfire guns and only have cap & ball muzzle loaders, at least it gives the innocent people a chance to grab the culprit or get the heck out of there
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Orville Smith New user 87 Posts
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The incidents of ballistic rampages are definitely on the increase. The way I see it, it's due to the global economic crisis. The final straw is when it culminates in job-loss. Luckily, in MY case, I don't have financial debts as I practice frugality. But the other year, I was homeless for a while, but thanks to the compassionate help of relatives, I now have shelter again.
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts
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Here's some interesting things I've found in my research.
This list has been posted via AP today. I'm sure it's not all inclusive as I had to add the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City. Here's the list... Quote:
---April 4, 2009 - Three Pittsburgh police officers are murdered after arriving at the scene of an alleged domestic dispute. Officers take the suspect into custody A few things to note... As mentioned this list is by no means all inclusive. Certainly I can't believe that between there were no shootings between the UT Austin sniper killings in 1966 and the 1984 shooting. Also note the absence of the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout in February of 1997. That shooting resulted in thousands of rounds fired, 2 killed (both perps) and 17 people injured. Amazingly no civilians or police officers died. That said, here are some numbers to consider... ---Based on the AP list (not all-inclusive) there were 25 shootings between the UT Austin sniper in 1966, and the Pittsburgh shooting today. Of the 25, 18 resulted in the shooter(s) either committing suicide, or being killed by armed responders. That's 70% of shooters who died or were killed. So it's a safe bet that if you're caught in an active shooting scenario there's a 70% chance that shooter has no plans to leave alive. ---Now for a particularly interesting number...out of the 25 shootings on the AP list, 12 happened in the spring time, March, April or May. A full 50% of these mass shootings take place in 3 months out of the year. And breaking that down ever further 7 of those 12 occurred in March alone - 58%. So what does this mean? Well that depends on how you interpret statistics I guess. Consider what exactly is a mass shooting to begin with. In my opinion a mass shooting is when a shooter goes to a location with the intent to kill as many people as possible. Obviously today's murder of 3 police officers in Pittsburgh, and last week's killing of 4 officers in Oakland are horribly tragic. But those happened in the line of duty. Do we statistically count them in? Heck I don't know. If we count in when officers are killed in the line of duty then there are certainly hundreds more shootings to add since 1966. (Including one right here in Albuquerque where a guy fruited out and murdered 5 people including 2 veteran police officers). As far as I know the FBI filed the North Hollywood shootout as an armed bank robbery. Should we ban guns? In keeping with the forum rules, I'll not turn this into a political gun debate. But looking at the original AP list of 25 shootings, one must take into account the gun laws on the books at the time these shootings took place. Legal concealed carry of handguns has only come into prevalence in the last 10 years while these shootings have been going on for far longer than that. Also consider that the majority of these shootings took place in a location where guns are already banned (either at that time, or presently). So do we ban guns? Sure. It's done very well for Mexico. It's a felony punishable by 20 years in prison to have a gun. And of course, there's almost no murder or gun related crime in Mexico. What to do if I'm involved in a shooting... You must ACT immediately. The worst plan right now is better than the best plan 3 seconds from now. Act. Don't hesitate. Act. If you need to run away (in a zig zag) do it. If you need to play dead, go for it. If you need to hide, hide. If you need to attack the shooter, that's your call. Get down, get behind something or get away. If you get behind something, make sure it's something that stops bullets like a concrete planter. Clothes racks won't protect you. Stay safe... So that's about all I have to say about that. Scary stuff to think about. Don't forget in all of this that the fear is very much media driven. Many networks are in the tank with President Obama and certainly scaring the heck out of people with shooting coverage will help garner support for the President's coming gun ban. Again, I'm trying to be careful not to turn this political. Because whether you're a republican or democrat doesn't matter much if you're getting shot at. What matters is that you survive. You can debate gun control policy another day. Stay safe out there. Robert
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts
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On 2009-04-04 15:07, evolve629 wrote: There is no profile for a mass killer. They're black, white, asian, tall, fat, rich, poor, male, female etc. That's the mistake many people make. They assume their friend, son, daughter etc doesn't "fit the profile." Only after Dylan & Eric had finished at Columbine did people start to see the signs they were giving. The signs mass killers give aren't necessarily indications that they're going to murder people. Many times they're cries for help and we miss them miserably. Robert
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts
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I'm still in the planning stage.
Watch your pizza hut. They make fine pizza, it's delicious!
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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That's sooo NOT funny...
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts
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Why do you not like pizza?
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3530 Posts
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On 2009-04-04 21:55, Orville_Smith wrote: If people went on a rampage every time they lost their jobs, I'd be a mass murderer 100 time over!
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts
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If people went on a rampage every time life turned into a huge vacuum of suck (Which it does ever so often (thanks to the Democrats/Republicans/Canadians)) everyone would have killed everyone by now.
Especially you. So stop fixing your problem by killing stuff. Unless you are a hunter, then absolutely do not stop, unles you are a WoW hunter... Then we Durids are in your house killin' yer huntrs! Man I'm bored, I wonder what I can do?
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts
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On 2009-04-05 00:09, RobertBloor wrote: I don't claim to have the answer, but there seems to be a lot of room between giving guns away for free in cereal boxes and the outright banning of them. There should be a happy middle ground compromise, shouldn't there? Right now, it does seem to me that it is too easy for some crazy folks to accumulate stockpiles of weapons in the States. Did you read about the Pittsburgh shooter? Apparently he was one of those folks fearing an Obama gun ban. I'm not saying he was necessarily a crazy to think that (although in my heart I am probably leaning in that direction), I just think it is more than a little ironic. See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512560,00.html Also, something here about guns in Mexico: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2......401.html Rightly or wrongly, it seems many Mexicans believe the problem is that "guns are so easy to buy in the United States and smuggle over the border." But one can also argue otherwise, as does the NRA elsewhere in the article above.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts
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On 2009-04-05 00:20, RobertBloor wrote: Very true; however, they also resist psychiatric intervention and ongoing mental health treatment. Warning signs usually are out there and their friends and family know; but from what I read, efforts failed. Of course there are many reasons why, I won't go into them.
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
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Posted: Apr 4, 2009 10:20 am 