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Woland
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According to the live stream, there is no DNA evidence, and the eyewitness evidence was discredited. The only evidence against her is the "confession" which was undoubtedly coerced from her by police procedures that were probably more psychologically severe than anything that goes on at Guantanamo.
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She's going home.
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Acquitted of murder, guilty of false accusation.
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Gotta admit, I was surprised.
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To be released tonight. (Time served.) By the way, the prosecutor is currently charged with abuse of his office in another case, and the main eyewitness in this case was also used by the prosecution in several other murders.
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I was surprised, too, but I congratulate the Italian judiciary. Perhaps justice does exist outside of Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, after all.
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I'm happy to see she is coming home and believe she was railroaded although I'll admit that what I know of the case is from articles written that have mostly been Pro-Amanda. Hopefully in her first press conference she doesn't ask for the release of political prisoners within the US.

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More specifics from a news article:

"Ms Knox was however found guilty of slander against Italian police after she accused officers of striking her, and as she changed her statement a number of times. She was ordered to three years of jail, however as she has already served four years, she will be released immediately. She will also have to pay financial compensation for Patrick Lumumba – the man who she accused of murdering Ms Kercher."

I also read that the Prosecutors can now appeal the overturned murder conviction (previously they said that they would ... will they, who knows).
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Something tells me that the prosecutor is going to hope this case just goes away.

He has other fish to fry:

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Mr Mignini, who succeeded in having the American student Amanda Knox jailed for 26 years for murdering her British flatmate in Perugia in 2007, was convicted in relation to a separate case regarding a notorious serial killer known as the Monster of Florence.

He was sentenced by a Florence court to a year and four months in prison, but will remain free pending the two stages of appeal available to him under Italian law and will be allowed to continue working.
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Heh, acquitted on October 3rd of murder in a case covered daily by the press.

She and OJ Simpson have a lot in common now.
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They also have a lot that's not in common.
Tons of DNA evidence against OJ. Essentially none against Amanda.
No other real suspects in the case against OJ. A suspect who was actually convicted of the murder based on hard evidence in the Knox case.
An obvious motive in the OJ case. No real motive in the Knox case other than lots of wild theories by the prosection with no aparent bearing in actual reality.

So, I would say, other than the covered by the press part, not much else in common.
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Thoughts of a lawyer:

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Several years ago, when Britney Spears’ meltdown was at its peak and couldn’t be avoided in the news, I did the shortest post in the history of the blogosphere. I titled it “My Thoughts On Britney Spears,” and the body of the post was blank.

Surprisingly, perhaps, I do have some thoughts on today’s verdict in Perugia acquitting Amanda Knox and her “boyfriend” of less than a week, Raffaele Sollecito. The story was simply irresistible, especially to a lawyer. I started reading up on it and, as it happens, I do have a strong opinion on the case. So here goes.

I think the conviction of Knox and Sollecito was an outrageous miscarriage of justice, driven by preoccupations on the part of the prosecutor, and maybe some policemen, that can only be described as medieval. There was no meaningful evidence against them. None. And–this is a fact that is often lost sight of–we actually know who killed Meredith Kercher. It was Rudy Guede.

Let me amend that. We know for sure that Guede raped Kercher, based on DNA evidence that, as far as I know, is undisputed. Beyond that, Guede’s DNA was all over the room where Kercher was killed, whereas DNA from both Knox and Sollecito was conspicuously absent. Now, it is possible that Guede raped Kercher, then vacated the premises, and someone else came along and killed her. But let’s apply Occam’s razor: it is virtually certain that whoever raped Kercher also killed her. So, where lies the mystery? The murderer has been identified. Moreover, Guede fled to Germany after the murder and called a friend, whom he told, among other things, that Knox was not in the house on the night of the killing. The evidence against Guede evidently was conclusive, and he was long ago tried, found guilty and sentenced.

This is where it gets medieval. Someone–I think the prosecutor–spun what can only be described as a fantasy. Not satisfied with Guede as the murderer, he imagined that Amanda Knox may have inspired the crime. He pictured a “sex game gone wrong,” featuring Guede, Sollecito, Knox and Kercher. Pause on that for a moment: Knox had known Sollecito for a mere six days at the time of the murder, and barely was acquainted with Guede. Sollecito had never met Guede. If you think it likely that that trio would have engaged in a “sex game” that turned into a murder, you move in circles very different from mine. Of course, the prosecutor speculated that the sex game was “drug fueled.” What was the evidence of drugs? The same as the evidence for group sex: zero. The prosecutor made it up.

The most bizarre aspect of this miscarriage of justice, perhaps, was that Guede’s sentence was reduced to 16 years, while Knox was sentenced to 26 years and Sollecito–the forgotten man of the story, who must wonder more than anyone what he did to be trapped in such a nightmare–got 25 years. How on earth did the prosecution justify this focus on Knox and Sollecito, in preference to the man whose DNA showed that he (and he alone) had raped Kercher? Simple: Knox was a “she devil,” whereas Guede was merely her tool–seriously! The evidence for this claim? There wasn’t any. This kind of fantasy is inconceivable in a modern court.

There were two types of evidence against Knox and Sollecito. The key evidence in the original trial was a knife that belonged to Sollecito. That knife had Knox’s DNA on the handle–no surprise there–and, allegedly, Kercher’s DNA on the blade. This and the bra clasp discussed below were the only things that ostensibly tied Sollecito to the crime. But there were huge technical issues with the tiny amount of DNA allegedly found on the blade, and the knife didn’t match either the bloody outline of a knife on Kercher’s bedspread or the wounds in Kercher’s neck.

Then there was the claim that a minute amount of Sollecito’s DNA was found on a clasp from Kercher’s bra. Unfortunately, the clasp wasn’t discovered until six weeks after the murder, lying on the floor of Kercher’s bedroom. The technical handling of all of this evidence by the Perugia police was appalling, and independent, court-appointed experts blew away the supposed DNA evidence in the appellate trial that was just concluded.

The second type of evidence against Knox–it didn’t really apply to Sollecito–had to do with her statements and behavior after the murder. Knox first drew the suspicion of Perugia’s police force when she turned cartwheels while waiting to be questioned after the murder was discovered. Kercher’s other friends were in tears, but Knox was turning cartwheels–the police found this suspicious, but some would say that while such behavior may be inappropriate, it is more consistent with knowledge of innocence than guilt. And does this remind anyone else of The Stranger, where the focus of the prosecution is not on what the defendant did, but on the odd way in which he reacted to his own mother’s death?

Knox made several odd statements to Perugia’s finest; she implicated a bar owner named Lumumba (no relation to Patrice, I assume) and talked about being in the house and hearing Kercher scream. But all of this was after 56 hours of questioning by the Italian police, with no lawyer present and only a dubious translator (at this time, Knox’s Italian was not as fluent as it is now, after four years in prison in Perugia.) 56 hours of non-stop questioning? That would never happen at Guantanamo Bay, and Knox was a 20 year old girl in a foreign country. I’ve heard it said that these musings were in response to a policeman’s asking Knox to imagine how the crime might have happened, but I haven’t seen a transcript (if one exists) to verify whether that is correct. In any event, Knox and Sollecito have consistently maintained their innocence. Is anything that Knox said sufficient to convict her, or anyone else, of murder? Certainly not.

In the end, the prosecution of Knox and Sollecito seems to tell us more about the prosecutor’s twisted psyche than about those defendants. The fact that Italian authorities were willing to let off the one man who they knew committed the crime more easily than the two fantasy defendants shows how twisted the criminal process became. Injustice can happen anywhere, but it is hard to imagine Knox and Sollecito, represented by competent defense counsel, being convicted in any American court. So I was happy to see them exonerated.
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On 2011-10-03 22:39, Woland wrote:
And–this is a fact that is often lost sight of–we actually know who killed Meredith Kercher. It was Rudy Guede.

Let me amend that. We know for sure that Guede raped Kercher, based on DNA evidence that, as far as I know, is undisputed. Beyond that, Guede’s DNA was all over the room where Kercher was killed.


And for that he gets 16 years. Yay for the Italian judiciary and Non-Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence!! Uphold a conviction but cut the sentence in half for no good reason.
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I agree, Marlin, but at least the innocent were eventually set free.
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I was actually in hopes they would deny her freedom. Oh well.
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Why so?
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I just don't feel she's completely innocent therefore should have to remain where she was. It doesn't even matter what her quilt maybe. If she did have any hand in this which I think she did she shouldn't be set free it's as simple as that. Also if she only played a small part she shouldn't have a lesser sentence then the one that was actually the murderer.
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There appears to be no evidence that she was involved in the crime in any way whatsoever.
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Yes, but he feels she's involved, therefore she must be. Who needs evidence when you have your gut?