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markhitton Special user 964 Posts 
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This makes use of a clever interrupt to make the force surefire
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PaulGreenmini2.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle 1133 Posts
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Hi Everyone,
I guess that I will chime in now. As many of you know, I released a VHS tape, and a readily available DVD, on the Classic Force. Many people have told me that it helped them learn, and do, a Classic Force! I am a student of the Classic and I am always looking for information to make my own techniques better. There are many sources and they all have slight differences. The more information you have the better your choices will be. Here is a partial list of resources: Royal Road Paul Gertner's Forcing in a Classic Manner (booklet and DVD) Giobbi's Card College Tarbell Eddie Tullock Phil Jay Anthony Gerard--Idosyncratic Classic Force Mark Mason--Attitude Force Steve Dacri Steve Youell Paul Daniels Paul Green I really don't think there is one BEST method or technology. I have read and viewed all of the above. My technique is a combination of what I have discovered. Do your research and then "pick and choose" what works for you. I am looking forward to seeing what Dave Hooper's Force of Will adds to the mix. Respectful regards, Paul Green PS I have purposefully not posted any links to my own DVD. You can find it, if you look,... BTW I receive no further financial rewards for the sale of my DVD. unless you purchase it directly from me. |
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts
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On Jan 14, 2016, T.G. Jones wrote: No, I wouldn't. But then, I'm not an ex-dealer... so I don't really know what I'm talking about. |
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Paul Harford New user 24 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2016, Dominic Reyes wrote: Yup. Still early days, but I think this is very promising for me. I still think it looks more natural than other classic forces I've seen, which I put down to one technical difference, and one nice subtlety, and that level of naturalness is definitely the target for me. |
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takeachance Inner circle 3787 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2016, Paul Harford wrote: I am a student of the Classic and I am always looking for information to make my own techniques better. There are many sources and they all have slight differences. The more information you have the better your choices will be. [/quote] Agree with what Paul Green said. I have a few, Pauls, Mark's and Steve Youell. For the small price I was happy to see someone else's style and take on this technique, and do think it has very slight subtleties that contribute to making a more natural force. No buyer regret here. |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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On Jan 8, 2016, CarlMcCoy wrote: He, himself, did. |
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dooblehorn Inner circle Pittsburg, CA 2503 Posts
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On Jan 12, 2016, Xiqual wrote: Sadly, I must agree here...I got this DVD and was extremely disappointed...Paul Green's Classic Force still remains the best DVD for Classic that I own...oh, well, at least it was cheap... |
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SamChak Elite user 478 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2016, dooblehorn wrote: I don't understand quite well. Was David's Classic Force substandard? Or did he compromise on the teaching standards? What are the learning objectives of this Force of Will DVD? Right now I'm pretty comfortable with my Classic Force. Thanks to Paul Green's pedagogical skills and useful tips. Is the DVD for me or beginners? Could you tell us your reasons for buying this DVD? And what are your expectations from this DVD? Should I add this DVD in my Classic Force collections? |
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts
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Sam, I think the issue for a few of the people that have purchased this may well be expectation. There are a few comments that there is nothing 'new' here.
Not everything needs to be NEW, to be helpful or worth learning.. Force of will isn't advertised as a 'new technique'. It promises an excellent way to learn how David does his Classic Force, and a good method for magicians to learn. Watch the trailer. If you want to do a classic force like that.. The DVD or download will teach you. Even better, It will only take 12 minutes of your time, and you are ready to start performing and practicing at the same time. It's quite different from Mark Masons Attitude Force, both in how the audience member is controlled and how the cards are handled during the selection. For beginners, wanting to learn the classic force, it's a very good method, and the teaching technique that makes it easier to get a hit to begin with is a very good way to get people practising right from the start, before they have full confidence in their ability to hit every time. The outs, also make this an excellent way to practice 'live' I see Force of Will as a tool to get a beginner actually doing it.. That's the principle reason I would recommend this to 'classic forcing beginners', above the Mason DVD (which MoM also supplies) I talk with so many magicians wanting to learn the classic force, through the shops personal tuition lessons. Many have several DVD's on the technique already.. but they fail to follow through and use it, for fear of the early stages of not hitting every time. If a magician already owns the Real World Magic DVD, but is still not confident performing the classic force for fear of it not working live until they get good at the force, maybe Force of Will would be a useful addition to help with that.. Hope this helps Dominic
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2016, PaulGreen wrote: I agree. And I have Paul Green's DVD, and it is excellent. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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On Jan 15, 2016, Merc Man wrote: Because I have seen better magicians than you fail with it and I couldn't care less if you are a Tory or a uk kip candidate all I am saying is don't assume the first thing you ever learnt is the best because that is not always the case . For the record I was a labour supporter but now am neutral and I think Jeremy Corbyn is an absolute hopeless labour leader for the record they have zero chance with him on board which is a shame because I am much more left then right but that guy is a complete joke which sums you up and your comments ! |
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1300 Posts
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I can classic force & know all of the theory.
Know a few friends who do it well( Malcolm Matson, Bob Gardiner(who does everything well), Matthew Dowden ( left the J out M8)& Paul Lytton does this beautifully). The late great Kevin Raey was a master of this as well(even with cards behind his back), I remember he told me he had done it for Paul daniels years ago & Mr Daniels was getting him to dem it on people. I use Mark Masons technique, & also have watched & have got Paul Greens dvd which is very good. Got this one but aint watched it yet. However, I would take Pauls advise & watch & read everything you can on it as it can only improve your technique. Will post my thoughts on this after I watch it. Mike Donoghue |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2544 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2016, Tarik Flash wrote: Well Tariq, first and foremost, as you don't even know me nor have never seen me work, how do you know that you have seen better magicians than me? Back to presumptions again I suppose? But you did give me a chuckle that you are now a 'neutral' - despite apparently being 'more left'. You really do appear to be a very confused individual. And as for the 'hopeless Labour Leader' - our party now has an all-time membership high. Our membership is now higher than all other parties combined. Maybe you'd like to PM me (as it isn't magic related) and detail why you believe that a Socialist Party should not have a TRUE Socialist leader?
Barry Allen
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Glenn Watson Special user 781 Posts
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Do they employ the classic force in British politics? If not could please take this argument to PM.See what I did there?
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts
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Dominic,
You and the other dealers are hyping this as something new. Now you say it doesn't have to be new and that my problem is "expectation'. I do expect honesty. I suppose I should know better. Please tell me, what are the points that differ from Royal road of card magic? "Keep spreading the cards" Is that it? That's not new either. In the words of Jay Sankey "Aww man...ripped off again!" James Quote: On Jan 16, 2016, Dominic Reyes wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts
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Hi James
'Force of will isn't advertised as a 'new technique'. It promises an excellent way to learn how David does his Classic Force, and a good method for magicians to learn.' I'm not 'hyping' anything James, I am spending my time on here to recommend this DVD though, and answer some questions about it. From a business point of view, it would actually be more profitable for my shop if a beginner purchased the Mason DVD or Paul Greens excellent title. I AM interested that beginners seem to be struggling with confidence to practice the force, so I'm happy to recommend this item as a solution. Best wishes Dominic
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2016, Merc Man wrote: Seen many clips of you on here via you tube performing just for the record Tarik |
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markhitton Special user 964 Posts
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Sincerely the first time I saw Mason force I was hit by the method and the procedure.
With this hooper force I remain as no need to see the video. Its a kind of no sensation feeling,at the end of the quick made video I ask to myself ...and now? What I ve learned? 
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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On Jan 16, 2016, Merc Man wrote: Last thing then back on topic promise, Labour Party at an all time high as the ballot system allowed anyone to join prior to leadership vote so absolute thousands of non labour supporters joined to make sure Corbyn won to doom labour out of office for many many years . So half its high membership consists of non labour supporters , what a cock up by a party I very much loved . Back to the classic force I can do both but prefer Marks hands down moving with the times unlike your mate Jeremy lol . Yes pm me if you have a problem Tarik |
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Dominic Reyes Inner circle Got to a gig too early so wrote his 1429 Posts
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On Jan 17, 2016, markhitton wrote: That's great Mark. Do you use your classic force often? How did you find the process of starting out with it, and getting the timing etc?
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 02:06 pm 