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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts 
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In the many threads on this forum on "best/favorite self-working card trick," plenty of people mention Gemini Twins for a variety of good reasons. So I was hoping to get your input on what patter you use when doing that trick. I am not a big fan of passing off tricks as "experiments" if it can be avoided, and the suggested patter in the Fulves book featuring the trick ("Wouldn't it be amazing if...") isn't really my favorite approach, either.
I figure (hope) that some of you have something more innovative. I've been trying out a few different things but nothing feels quite right. I'm comfortable with my patter on other tricks, but for some reason I'm not comfortable with my patter for coincidence tricks and I feel my unease with patter on those comes through in my performance. Since Gemini Twins is usually the trick I open with I'd like to come across as more sure of myself, and it drives me nuts that I'm having such silly patter problems with the easiest trick I do. Yes, I can use the typical suggested patter and get away with it, but I really want something new. Do any of you, for example, use the trick as a "compatibility test" for couples (doing the trick for two instead of one)? Do any of you tell the spectator that you were testing your ability to control their dealing? What gives you the best results? What are you most comfortable with? Do any of you have any patter approaches to tricks such as Gemini Twins outside of the suggested norms, and if so would you be kind enough to share them? PM is fine if that's what you prefer, of course. I know I may be overthinking this, especially with a trick this simple, but with magic being a performance art I prefer to think (and hope you agree) that my insistence on being 100% comfortable with patter is a good thing. But if you think I'm overthinking this, feel free to tell me that as well. Thanks in advance, Roger |
Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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Hi Roger,
I like to mess around with the theme of so called subliminal advertising when performing Gemini Twins (or its cousins like Nick Trost's Rainbow Miracle). People seem to like the approach. |
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Nestor D Special user France (Paris) 833 Posts
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I do it as mentalism with a "subliminal prediction" theme : it works well
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts
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Vlad and Nestor, the subliminal ideas sound great. Different than anything I've tried, and that's exactly what I'm looking for. I'll start working on one right now. Thank you both very much.
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ianchandler Veteran user 312 Posts
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John Carey has a great line for this that I've stolen for Do As I Do. It's from his Vanishing Inc video:
Magic: "Do you believe in coincidence?" Spec: "Yes." Magi: "So do I. That's a coincidence!" Wonderful line. |
David Martin Regular user East Lyme, CT 118 Posts
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On Sep 17, 2014, RogerTheShrubber wrote: Not at all Roger, in fact, this is very refreshing to see. I love the fact that one could take a trick like Gemini Twins and find multiple ways to present it. Is it a blind coincidence? Is this evidence of subliminal programing? Is this evidence of your ability to influence people's decisions/actions? Was this foretold, perhaps, from a dream you had? Is this nothing more than a proposition bet? One can find inspiration from many sources and one can listen and follow other's suggestions. The really beautiful thing is though, YOU are the final authority! Even if you follow a suggestion down to the letter and make it yours; you are the one giving yourself permission to do so. Good luck Roger! David |
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts
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On Oct 4, 2014, David Martin wrote: Thanks very much, David. The one thing I've learned since getting back into card magic is how good patter can make even bad tricks look great. A guy in my office does some of the most God-awful tricks I've ever seen (and it's a good bet that you and everyone else in the forum has seen them) but makes them so entertaining that even I (knowing how these tricks are done) really enjoy watching him. I used to do standup comedy and am not shy, but much like standup you have to have the material. I'm still looking for that perfect patter for coindicence tricks, and the ideas I got from this thread are a good start. With coincidences I really dislike "Wouldn't it be amazing if...?" because when I was asked that as a kid I would answer "yes" to be polite, but inside I was thinking "no, it wouldn't, you're a magician, so it would be amazing if it DIDN'T work." You can always tell whens someone isn't comfortable with his / her patter, he / she sounds like a used car salesman on his / her first day on the job, and I'd rather not do a trick at all then stumble through patter I don't like. Thanks again to everyone who answered. |
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Nestor D Special user France (Paris) 833 Posts
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"no, it wouldn't, you're a magician, so it would be amazing if it DIDN'T work." maybe you already have the base for your patter...
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warren Inner circle uk 4221 Posts
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On Sep 20, 2014, ianchandler wrote: The first time I heard that line was by Aldo Colombini and the flip side of that line which I prefer Magician: " do you believe in coincidence ? " Spectator: " no " Magician: " what a coincidence neither do I " |
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magicfish Inner circle 7049 Posts
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On Sep 20, 2014, ianchandler wrote: Stolen? |
jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts
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On Nov 13, 2014, magicfish wrote: Bob Hope stole it first.
Jim Gerrish
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JoeHohman Special user Erie 713 Posts
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Roger, I am PM'ing you an idea.
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts
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Anyone thought of using Gemini Twins to find the other card? That is to say if we have a red queen and a black king, the red queen finds the other black king and the black king finds the other red queen? That would be a nice result for a compatability presentation for a couple.
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oweosc12 New user 70 Posts
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On Apr 7, 2015, 0pus wrote: Nice idea
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts
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On Apr 7, 2015, 0pus wrote: I have tried this. In my experience it works pretty well for couples, but it isn't as good if you are doing it for one person, the immediate visual impact isn't as strong. |
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts
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Of course not. With whom would the solitary person be compatible? Then you just find the twin. You need to consider both the presentation and the circumstances.
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts
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On Apr 8, 2015, 0pus wrote: I have. And even with couples I prefer just having the twins found. The impact is immediate. True, it only takes a second for the couple to verify success the other way, but in my experience that second takes away from the impact. Your results may well be different, but that's what I've observed. |
Posted: Sep 17, 2014 05:56 pm 
