What do you think about the joyal stack??

what do you think about the tricks for the joyal stack?

You can view the Joyal stack by downloading Stackview (www.stackview.com). You can view many stacks actually. But, I haven't memorized the stack, but I know that people have memorized it in less than 6 hours. But, Tamariz's book comes out in a few weeks, which has a stack that can be memorized in 3 hours. As for the tricks, I started a thread about them, but never got a straight answer about them. I still am wondering if they are mentialism tricks or not.

The Joyal stack (the book)comes with some nice routines.
You could use many routines from the Aronson books as well.
The Aronson stack has many built in routines,the Joyal stack does not.

Joyal is a great random stack you could memorize in a couple days easy.

It took me 2 months to memorize Aronson without useing a system just raw mind work.

I believe there is some mis-information about being able to memorize the Tamariz stack in 3 hours,but it is the talk of the town.

The Joyal Memorized Stack is great!!!

of course this is a very personal question (and answer), as well all have different needs concerning a memorized deck.

The main Reason why I did not choose the Aronson stack is because I do not care about its built-in features as I can do them all with a normal shuffled deck. And I have no prior mnemonic training. Furthermore, since my first language is French, the mnemonics included in "Bound to Please" are of little use to me as they are in English (although I admit I could have created my own, or learn or through rote memory).

The Joyal stack IS the easiest stack to learn, and as opposed to Aronson's it does not fade away with lack of using. And after a short time the rules simply fade away!!!

The routines in the Joyal book are stack independant, which means they can be done with ANY memorized deck.
I personally like the "Poupart trick".

Keep in mind that there are 4 main points to consider when you decide to choose which stack to memorize (listed in no particular order):

-Does it look like a shuffled deck?
-How easy is it to memorize?
-Will it remains in your memory for a long time?
-Are there any built-in tricks? (that you will actually use!)

The way you prioritize these questions will lead you to the right stack to memorize.

There are many memorized decks/stacks to choose from:
Joyal, Aronson, Tamariz, Klase (this one has great built-in features, to bad I saw it after I learn Joyal's!), Si Stebbins (see Steven Youell's work), Clause Rix, Boris Wild, etc...

I strongly suggest you check them all, in order to take the best decision.

Ronnie Lemieux
Montreal
Canada

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=110

This is another thread on the Joyal Stack.

About the tricks...
I am rescripting the "Lazy Mentalist Returns." I like it a lot. I am leaning towards Poker Face. "Red, White, and Blue" has great potential. I haven't sat down with it yet, but I liked the first read.

Patrick

Instead of a 6 hour memorized deck, how about a 3 hour memorized deck? When Mnemonica is released next month, you'll find a section with an unusual method for memorizing the Tamariz stack in only 3 hours!

I actually learned the Joyal Stack in 3 hours.

The 6 hours suggestes by Martin Joyal is a very safe number, but me and two other people I know learned it in between 3 and 4 hours!!!

Ronnie Lemieux

While I admit that I might be wrong on this subject, when you learn a stack in 3 hours or whatever, you usually are learning it with a bunch of mnemonics and or mathematics games, and then from there you have to learn to be able to know the deck without constantly using those little tricks. so, in actuality, to really know the deck it is going to take a couple of weeks. the way I do it is learn 5 cards a day, and just go over whatever I have already memorized over and over again. this way takes about an hour of work a day, and takes just 10-12 days (i did it with my own deck which was a mistake cause it has none of the great features any other stack has)

Whether it takes 6 hours, 9 hours, or 3 hours to learn a stack is entirely dependant on the individual and the stack being memorized. It took me 9 hours to get the Joyal work into by thick head, and I've been working with it now for two weeks. I think I need another two weeks with it before I'll be comfortable enough with it to use it. I could spend the rest of my life "learning" it, and never consider it a waste of time. But that's just me...

Every reference I've read or heard about MD's say one thing...No matter which stack you learn, no matter how long it takes you to learn, take the time necessary to learn it FLAT COLD. Any fumbling, mumbling, grumbling, or error when recalling the card or stack position seriously detracts from the overall effect and it also dramatically increases the probabilities of exposure.

The MD is one of the sharpest tools in my shed. I'm going to take the time to use it wisely, lest I botch it and lose a couple of fingers in the process.

Patrick

The Joyal version is the one I use and I can't thank him enough for releasing it. It has permitted me to create some of the strongest material I perform.

Larry D.

P.S. - My memory stinks and it took me less than 6 hours to learn but a little longer to feel 100% comfortable in performance.

MRD Friday wrote:

Absolutely. The Joyal approach (rule-based) is but one of four standard ways to learn a stack, and it is not the fastest for most people. Nor is Joyal's the only stack to use this technique. Further, there are important additional concerns associated with learning a stack, which generally get ignored in exchanges of this sort. Those interested in exploring the issue in greater depth might want to peruse my essay on the topic; it attempts to categorize the tradeoffs among the different schemes.

Regardless of what you may think of the stack itself, however, Martin Joyal's book is a "must have" for serious students of memorized deck work. It has a superb historical section (updated for more recent methods on his Web site), and several good routines.

... Doug

Yo can win a copy of Juan Tamariz new book Mnemonica at Martin Joyal´s web, go to his Forum and click on the Tamariz post:
http://www.joyalstack.com/