Hey everyone,

So I've been reading through Erdnase, the solo section in particular. I know he states that the advantage player would do better with a partner than he would going solo.

So to beat the cut, would a shift be able to look natural enough to pass off? The S.W.E. shift's handling would be too unnatural for sure. The only shift I've seen that looks almost natural is Darwin Ortiz's 'Tap Shift'.

Games that I have played in recently have been very loose, to where to person on my right would just tap the deck. Now, these games are obviously friendly and not a lot of money exchanging hands, but I feel are a good place for me to start making moves without fear of being beaten.

I would love to hear if there are any natural shifts able to 'beat the cut', I know it would probably just be easier to put a convex crimp and hope the sucker cuts to it.

Yes, it exists, and in my opinion it blows all other traditional shifts/passes away. I'm sure most other members here will agree with me. Do some work by searching through the threads in the Gambling Spot, you'll easily find it.

I encourage other members not to spill the beans, as he will benefit more by doing the searching.

I wouldnt know if you would call it a natural shift butthe one shift that I'm currently practicing is the turner shift. with the proper cover(IE throwing in a bet) I have seen people use it going un-noticed. Im a beginner so my knowledge of the shifts out there is limited. But the Turner shift if worth a look.

Sorry bro, looks like I spilled them. I posted right after you.

The Turner shift? It's good, but, no.

All the private cash poker games as in a casino, with the croupier, who shuffles, cuts and deals.

All of them except for the ones magicians play in somewhere in another world.

So what game are you talking about here?

Ah, Tommy, the game I'm talking about here is a bunch of college students looking for ways to spend their scholarship money

Scholarships? In this school of hard knocks we take loans - and you can bet it's unsubsidized.

Haha, very nice Maitre D. I also went sifting through the older threads in search of this shift you were talking about.

Other than tabled shifts, the one that stood out the most was the Infinity Shift. Is this what you were talking about?

Actually there was a fellow who up my game not long ago he was losing thousands a on regular basis, and we were all wondering where he was getting it from. It turned out that he was getting student loans from many different banks when he was only supposed to get one It was not illegal apparently but he had declare himself a backcourt in the end. He had about 80 grand of them altogether but he was spending it as fast as got it while it lasted. So I guess there are wild games about in the universities worth the light, where you might use a shift. I would with a partner though al the same. Or put in readers rather than use a shift because I think they are safer than a shift. I wish I had gone to school.

You mean the Jiggle Pass?

Nah. The riffle pass .

Robert,

Here you'll find an example of partial shift I've used in (very) loose games:

http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/code/main.php?p=6200000

In my opinion, shift are very dangerous and more or less useless. There are many options available less risky than a shift.

Wait, I think the Dribble Pass is what I was talking about.

AMcD that's pretty nice. The only problem I have, is that when they do want to cut, the cut and complete. I just wanted to see if any shifts could justifiably be used in a game.

I love putting the convex crimp in and having the guy unknowingly cut to it

With the guys I play with, I could probably switch in a cooler right in front of their faces while offering them a beer.

That’s not cheating, that's immoral.

Your joking right?

Wrong.

I am also a fan of readers.

But, a shift is good...DOC has a great table shift....best I have seen for a table because it looks natural.

Hard evidence is not safer than something that "may or may not" have happened.

I second Dowser.

The less evidence there is, the best it is. If someone suspect you made a move, unless you really was bad (everyone has caught a hanger once in a while) it's always hard to prove. Of course, I'm not talking about places full of camera and I suppose you're not bottom dealing using a 12 cards slug.

Using readers, punched cards etc. leaves not doubt when the deck is inspected. Same with cold decks, they just have to body search you. Unless playing in team, of course.

Well if I see you do a shift I am going to smash your face in with a glass ashtray. Then I will say you cheated and if you call me a liar I will do it again and again. If on the other hand I discover marked cards in the game I will not know who to hit as I will not know who put them in. So I would advise you use marked cards rather than a shift which I can nail while wearing sunglasses. You would probably get away marked cards because they are harder to nail. IMHO. Take my advice and do as you please.