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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts 
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My point is that you haven't shared the full picture of your choice to "go pro". In your case, your wife helps to financially shoulder the burdens that result from your decision to quit a well-paying job to follow your dream to be a full time performer.
I'm not putting judgements upon your decision. I think it's wonderful to have a supportive spouse. I just think that you might explain the entire picture, so people have a clear idea of how you are managing to pay the bills. It's not just from performing, and it may take some time before the happens. People are considering following your lead to quit their jobs and become performers, based upon the picture you paint. If they have supportive wives too, that's great. But I think it's irresponsible not to share the entire picture honestly. It might hurt your ego a little to admit it, but it's the truth. - entity
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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Entity...
It hurts nothing to admit it... I will say this... My wife ( bless her heart ) is very supportive... and her job pays out mortgage...thats it. And soon she will be on maternity leave... J
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts
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Congratulations! I'm very happy for you and for your wife.
I hope that everything goes well and that your family is healthy and happy. - entity
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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Thank you Entity...
And please -- I don't want anyone to think I was trying to "fluff" things up by not revealing that my wife works. She does work, and as stated above does help out... The heart of this thread in my opinion lies in "making it work" sorry if that is an immature POV. I consider myself a proffesional, so too do those around me, so too do my customers. I don't need validation from anyone but those who DO pay my bills. I encourage everyone to try their hand at doing what they love in order to pay for the things they need... J
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts
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It's not about outside validation. It's about being honest, ESPECIALLY with yourself.
Another thing to consider for those reading is that Jay and I both live in Canada, where we have socialized medicine. We don't have to pay for health insurance or coverage, and our health needs and those of our families are nicely taken care of. In countries like the U.S., health insurance costs for individuals, their spouses and their families are sometimes covered by an employer, but when you are a self-employed performer, you carry that responsibility yourself. It's wonderful to follow your dreams, but I am merely suggesting that people do it responsibly, especially if they have wives and children to think about. - entity
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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On 2008-07-11 17:39, entity wrote: Great points -- and I do agree... If you decide to go pro -- be smart about it. Let me say a word about my wife... You know the saying " behind every great man -- there is a great woman". Sums it up. If it was not for her support and belief in EVERYTHING that I do with regards to my proffesional career -- it would not be possible. She really is the backbone of the business and my performances. Make sure that your families are 100% comfortable with your choices and where you decide to take your career. As I believe I said above -- this isn't for everyone... J
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aukt Special user 763 Posts
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Here's people you should listen to when considering going pro;
Your partner in live Your financial advisor/bank manager Your dr Your friends and family Your senior successful contemporaries I say respectfully, I don't think the best advice comes from those who are in the experimental, fledgling, or very early stages of full time performance. Interesting to read, no doubt, and superficially perhaps quite inspiring. Contact senior successful contemporaries who are open, honest, willing, and accessible. |
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aukt Special user 763 Posts
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By the way that's not intended as a slight or insult or a devaluation that's been written before in this thread. Just an opinion, like the others.
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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On 2008-07-11 17:53, auktionman007 wrote: Could not agree more. My post is a reflection of the advice I have recieved, and what I have experienced... J
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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Slightly off topic, but entity mentioned socialized health care - I just watched the dvd Sicko - you poor americans! I think it's a disgrace that 50 million of mofd of you struggle or just don't have health care...
sorry - had to be said... I'm quite happy being at the level of performing that I am right now - one or two small gigs a week, and my other job looks after and pays for family stuff...the mentalism pays for my books, research and savings... for those working pros bothering to read this thread though, does going fulltime make you a little jaded towards the whole scene? and who works with others to develop their show(s)?
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aukt Special user 763 Posts
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Look for someone with at least ten years experience, I'd say. They will have experienced economic and social shifts, tried most of the markets, wasted a ton of money on every concievable advertising strategy and new fangled effect.
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts
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Auktionman: Agreed. Just felt it was time to bring some added reality to this thread, from someone who's made his living in this trade for about 35 years.
And yes, I'm married and my wife works full time (because she wants to, not because she has to). I paid off our mortgage a number of years ago. We have no children, as my wife says that one juvenile in the house is plenty. - entity
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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Also realize that the "old pros" have old ideas...
I have had many old locals tell me that something wouldnt work, or that their was no budget/money there etc... Only to try it, and MAKE it work. Some of my biggest clients are ones I was told didn't have $$$... be wary of that. J
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts
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So, why is it you keep coming back to this "Old Pro" for advice, if it's not worth anything?
Very disrespectful post, Jeff. - entity
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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On 2008-07-11 18:11, Jay Are wrote: Emphasis on Local Tom... Did not mean you in any way shape or form. For those of you who do not know -- Entity is some one who has givn me a ton of advice and guidance in this field... I owe much of what I am and know to him... J
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aukt Special user 763 Posts
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On 2008-07-11 18:11, Jay Are wrote: I can't help but consider that offensive and arrogant. Those that you have referred to, that have been so giving of their time and their 'old' (interpret - flawed) ideas; if they were to read what you wrote, do you think they would ever offer you any advice or time in the future? Wouldn't it be more appropriate (read- mature) to say that you have explored the marketplace and are hitting new clients that no one else has managed to do in the past? And that it's really motivated you and should motivate others to persue such leads? |
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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On 2008-07-11 18:19, auktionman007 wrote: perhaps I did choose the wrong words... my apologies... I think they would understand if they read this -- in fact I am sure many of them will... J
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aukt Special user 763 Posts
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts
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Fun thread, about a fun topic...
I appologize if I offended anyone... let's keep it lite shall we? J
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts
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I would like to thank entity and auktionman007
You both have said what I was trying to politely say on the first page of this thread. Don’t be offended by the new guys calling us old pros, and thinking our ways are long to be forgotten it happens in just about everyone I have mentored, they soon forget their roots. The ego grows and they feel they know more than the teacher, it happens trust me. I know Jay did not mean it the way it sounded but truly everything spoken here has been said time and time again to new guys coming up in this industry. And again I find myself saying, there is nothing wrong with being a part time pro if paying the bills and feeding the family is not cutting it performing then don’t quite your day job. I guess now I need to add, or if you have a wife willing to do all the above till you get your feet off the ground. Jay one year it nothing you need a few hard knocks and a few more to be considered a full time worker in my books. But I don’t think of you as any less of a pro! Parmenion I don’t get your argument at all, this thread is not about props or mental magic verses mentalism. I will not even entertain debating the above with you. Lets get back to what Max realy wanted this to be about, stories of going pro! Floyd
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Posted: Jul 11, 2008 09:24 pm 