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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts 
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I wish I could be of more help. Since I don't own the video, and I'm not much of a card guy, I can't tell you what the similarities and differences are between the book routine and the video routine, but the video performance is described as "an unusual performance of The Reformation, his renowned torn and restored card".
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts
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On 2004-04-20 20:15, vwc06 wrote: Vwc06, Performance only is perfectly fine and will probably be eagerly snapped up by the Drawing Room Deceptions owners who really wish to perfect this great routine. Releasing it as performance only is a good compromise solution to not releasing it at all and re-releasing the entire "Reformation" video again. Mike
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Pebkac New user 64 Posts
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Routines came out after The Reformation.
Routines can be somewhat considered a video version of Drawing Room Deceptions. For those that cannot make heads or tails out of the English language in a written medium, Routines contains a performance only version of The Reformation and, alas, no explanation. To consider the Routines performance a re-release would be overvaluing the clip. If this were the case, his performance of the effect on World's Greatest Magic videotapes all over would be of the same. Also last I checked, no one has figured out Guy's handling from a video of the performance. Legions of magicians working on it came up with "their own variation." (Though, to be fair it can be said they were working on the Copperfield torn and restored baseball card.) The written explanation of The Reformation is quite adequate. The video simply confirms that "Yes, you do hold it just like that, and yes... the audience doesn't see it." The best torn and restored Guy has put forward is not The Reformation, but another one mentioned in his book. Less physical work, more psychological work, and greater conviction.
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts
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On 2004-04-20 22:05, Pebkac wrote: I have his performance on The World's Greatest Magic. After watching it many, many times, it can be figured out. Yes, I'm sure I know the exact method. Of course, only those who purchased his video or book should actually perform it. |
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MJ Marrs Inner circle Los Angeles 1123 Posts
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Trust me, you aren't going to learn it by watching the World's Greatest Magic. Do yourself a favor, get the book and the "Routines" video if you want to learn Guy's handling.
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Pebkac New user 64 Posts
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On 2004-04-20 23:18, Micheal Leath wrote: Last I checked, only one person has figured out Guy's exact handling from watching a video of the performance. And that person is Michael Leath.
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts
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I'm sure there are plenty more. Most anyone who has studied magic for a while should be able to. He does not use any "top secret", never before used moves in his routine.
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On 2004-04-21 00:04, MJ Marrs wrote: So, you are saying that it is impossible to figure out? Surely anyone who has has been in magic a while can watch it over and over and figure out the handling. |
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Iain Moran Special user Manchester, England 693 Posts
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I have Guy's Reformation video for sale.
PM me if you are interested. Iain. |
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MJ Marrs Inner circle Los Angeles 1123 Posts
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On 2004-04-21 00:44, Micheal Leath wrote: Yeah, and I'm also saying that anyone who goes outside and flaps his arms for a long time probably won't learn how to fly either...LOL There are lots of tips and subtlties to be learned from the book. These little details might not seem important, but they are. Like Vernon said, art isn't a detail, but the details make the art. Anyway, if you're up for the challenge of learning the routine properly from TWGM footage, then good luck. |
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts
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I agree completely. I only said that you could figure out the moves. |
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MagicAces New user 60 Posts
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It is true that you can figure it out from TWGM, but if that's the way you choose then your probably missing out on, for example, the correct way to turn and hold the folded card.
Even though I spent many hours, days even, getting the Reformation down pat from watching performance only, I don't think it's the way to go. I believe that the TWGM is good if you already know the effect; it shows you how it is supposed to look. In my opinion viewing the reformation on the video Routines is not quite as clear as the one on TWGM, but I think it was quite clever presenting it the way he did on the boat. |
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Geoff Weber Inner circle Washington DC 1387 Posts
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Very similar...
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On 2004-04-20 17:09, Joey Brummett wrote: |
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Michele Veteran user Taiwan 304 Posts
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I got the video. It is not easy to learn. MUST practice, practice, practice.
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MJ Marrs Inner circle Los Angeles 1123 Posts
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The routine is very difficult to perform properly (very easy to perform poorly), however, I think that it's one of the all time great routines in magic.
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MagicAces New user 60 Posts
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I second that.
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts
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I'll second that also.....
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts
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I Learned it from the video, and I got the handling down within an hour, something that I wouldn't have been able to do with the book.
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Platt Inner circle New York 2032 Posts
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The question still has not been answered:
How exactly does Hollingworth's effect compare to Ripped and Restored? I've been told they're almost identical in appearance, but R&R is much easier to master.
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts
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Ripped and restored is more similar to John Lovick's reparation in handling. I myself have never used any other methods aside from Hollingworths, so I cant give too much info.
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Alex Linian Inner circle Peru 1277 Posts
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Ripped and Restored is not as clean as the Reformation. In Ripped and Restored, the pieces are placed in a pocket, before the restoration.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2004 12:35 am 