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dan bivaldi New user 61 Posts 
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Yes interesting link to the post but what a pile of jealous c**p.Just because something is shot with multiple cameras etc. doesn't mean to say that it's better than any single camera shot or basic format.
I can name many dvd's that use too many fancy effects, multiple angle, shots in shot etc. and boy are they annoying.Daniel garcia's set by paul Harris is a good example,you get all these fancy shot in shot or whatever but you don't get the basic close up all the camera work is done to far away to see whats going on.And don't forget Rsvp martin sanderson commercial magic dvd boy was that annoying and over produced a time to hit that fast forward button.Anyway you know what I mean. These Magic Maker dvd's have been well thought out and a lot of effort has gone into them.They have not just been thrown together as Mr wilson makes them sound quote,"after seeing them I'm not worried". Well take it from me you should be worried as these are out now and looks like they are selling like hot cakes !!! At L&L prices and the annoying fake audiances that they use ill stick to these,thanks but no thanks. |
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Krumb Loyal user Vancouver, WA 300 Posts
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On 2006-01-18 14:51, dan bivaldi wrote: I disagree, I own one of the DVDs and I personally think it was very well produced and don't find that the multiple cameras annoying, in fact I think it adds to the production. Aside from this, Paul's post sounds like they may have multiple angles available on the dvd not just two seperate cameras as in the DGP. Quote:
"These Magic Maker dvd's have been well thought out and a lot of effort has gone into them.They have not just been thrown together as Mr wilson makes them sound quote,"after seeing them I'm not worried"." Well thought out??? Did you forget "Ghost Kings" or "Crushed and Cured Cola"?? These DVDs were blatent rip-offs of marketed effects, no thought added. Quote:
Well take it from me you should be worried as these are out now and looks like they are selling like hot cakes !!! Just because something sells a lot of copies doesn't mean that it is of better quality. Card guards are a supreme example, you can buy a cheap knock off for a couple bucks or invest in Porper's clip and get what you payed for. You can sell a lot of substandard products to uninformed customers. |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1425 Posts
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I agree with dan bivaldi, I do not feel this version is cheap or water down. I do not know Mr.Wilson or his products, so no comment there. However I am upset with L & L pricing and marketing methods. I have gotten junk from L & L also, but over all I like most of the product. And I have gotten good and bad from MagicMakers too. Most likely I will not buy the L & L version. So read and research everything you can until you think you can make a fair judgement on your purchase. I am still very happy with my decision. I have use this method and it works the majority of the time.
BTW - having a group of people on tape watch the show adds nothing to my learning, but some do as they can see the reaction. Jerry |
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Silly Walter the Polar Bear Special user 506 Posts
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On 2006-01-18 20:39, Jerry wrote: You must not perform for people. You can learn a ton from watching the audience. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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On 2006-01-18 21:53, Silly Walter the Polar Bear wrote: You can learn a lot from audience reaction. But, on some of these shoots, the audience reaction can't be trusted. How many versions of card in wallet are they going to see before they stop saying "oh my God"?
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts
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You can learn a lot from audience reaction. But, on some of these shoots, the audience reaction can't be trusted. How many versions of card in wallet are they going to see before they stop saying "oh my God"? _________________________________________________________________________ You might be right, MagicChris, but some of us have a short attention span. Plus, it's usually the PYTs in the front saying that 
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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On 2006-01-18 22:14, Kaylan wrote: Hahaha. Kaylan, I think you're right. I do prefer a video with an audience. I was so glad David williamson's Magic Farm DVD had an audience. I think it made a difference.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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BenSalinas Special user Coinoscenti 747 Posts
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Audience reactions are very important. But I have to agree with everyone else, the L&L audiences seem to be pretty full of themselves. The overacting is sad. I think they are in dire need of new people.
As for the Rudy Hunter versus R. Paul Wilson; I like both of their work. I've gotten some great card tricks from Paul's books and DVDs. Likewise, I have learned some killer mental effects and stand-up tricks from Rudy's manuscripts. Who teaches RRTCM better? Who knows? It really is in the mind of the INDIVIDUAL watching the DVD. Not the producer, or the audiences, or any of this incestuous back biting that the Café members seem to thrive on. The answer: BUY THEM BOTH and DECIDE FOR YOURSELF. Enough politics...I have a degree in this and would prefer to leave it at work and get back to sharing & enjoying magic here. Ben S
Your Friendly Neighborhood Coin Flinger
www.SalinasMagic.com The Modern Coin Magic blog www.ModernCoinMagic.com |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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Ben, great thoughts!
I think Falanga should take advantage of some of the clubs in Tahoe and only have girls in the shoots. That way no one would care what the reactions were!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts
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On Jan 18, Krumb said, How did you get Wilson's DVD? I still can't find 'em goggling or on the L&L home site.
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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cgscpa Elite user Ashton, MD 447 Posts
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Krumb's comment was about one of Daniel Garcia's DVDs, not Paul Wilson's.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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Is it a celebration yet?
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts
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MagicChris, I can hear Kool & The Gang singing it in my head
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts
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On 2006-02-11 13:17, cgscpa wrote: Thanks for straightening me out. I assume they are still not released, but any idea of how much the Paul Wilson DVD will cost?
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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On 2006-02-11 15:06, evolve629 wrote: evolve, you're the only one that got the reffernece. I can now stop saying it!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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cgscpa Elite user Ashton, MD 447 Posts
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On 2006-02-11 15:15, ehands wrote: No problem, ehands. The latest I read on another message board is that they are to be released by the end of this month. No idea on how many disks or the cost. |
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Bosco J. Elite user New York 462 Posts
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The Wilson set is out and currently available from LL Pub.
http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?m......_id=2294 It looks like a well package product. The $79.95 asking price seems very reasonable for the 5 disc 8 1/2 hrs of instruction. I don't know R. Wilson or R. Hunter personally but I do appreciate both their work. Mr. Wilson's most recent comments from Genii's forum seems to clear up some of the misconceptions about the projects. http://geniimagazine.com/forum/cgi-bin/u......1#000006 Bosco |
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Jeremy L. Special user 800 Posts
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willmorton New user 79 Posts
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Any uk dealers doing the Wilson dvd set?
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magictrickstur New user 54 Posts
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I think this is going to be the newest fad remaking old books into dvd.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 07:51 pm 